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Can we make Eve's W do damage to champions if fully charged please?

XJ99999999999999··2 votes·1,911 views

It just feels terrible to use and most of the time it's better to Q W for the slow instead of W'ing the target before you are in range, on top of waiting for the thing to fully charge. It's better to get off your damage as soon as they know where you are as an assassin instead of putting a mark, waiting 2.5 seconds, giving away that you are there and waiting, and potentially just making them get away or going to allies. Early-mid game, you only "lose" 2-10% damage max in exchange of doing the combo instantly, letting you dart out of combat and reposition, waiting on cooldowns, which is the better move 95% of the time.

It is just a super telegraph'd W and due to all the mobility and how small the map is, it's usually the wrong choice to use the W from far away and wait for it to charge. The only time you ever wait for it to charge is to zone someone out of a fight or to scare them away from your allies, kinda like a mind game thing.

I'm not asking for a huge buff to it. It could have something like 20-25 damage a rank (20-40-60-80-100 or 25-50-75-100-125) and some type of AP ratio, even like 10%. Nothing big, but it just feels bad as a skill to use, especially in a meta where no one builds defensives, making the 25-35% magic resist shred pretty pointless and unrewarding to use.

It's just one of those skills that are REALLY good against monsters, makes you think it does a ton of damage, but against champions it does pretty much nothing until super mega late game and you are against someone building MR, which again, is pretty rare and even not even needed to do. I'd like it if her W had the same feeling against champions that it does on monsters and is the mark of death type of ability (kinda like ahris charm).

It's that or give it some type of damage amp. It's just the 25-35% magic resist shred isn't really that much in most games (as tanks aren't played, and if they are, they stack HP). Just hard to use skill, hard to even get off, and little reward for doing so.

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MarijaCarry3 votes

Will you hit rank 1 if they do so?

XJ999999999999992 votes

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Will you hit rank 1 if they do so?

If I cared about the "status" of rank 1 I would have just spammed Hecarim and maybe put in some duo Q in there (I wouldn't duo Q). I play to improve myself overall. I don't need the game to tell me my rating.

MarijaCarry1 votes

Fair point buddy actually, at least you have been there and I am just sitting here wondering what kind of feeling is that.

Aamano3 votes

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It just feels terrible to use

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XJ999999999999991 votes

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https://media2.giphy.com/media/I2QQlj7vgtT6U/giphy.gif

a surprised gif isn't an arguement.

Zyniya2 votes

I took Eve sup a few times it's crazy how strong the mind game W is xD waiting for it to charge is also a good way to try to burn a flash beyond that I tend to only find it really useful when clearing the buffs lol

XJ999999999999991 votes

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I took Eve sup a few times it's crazy how strong the mind game W is xD waiting for it to charge is also a good way to try to burn a flash beyond that I tend to only find it really useful when clearing the buffs lol

its useful for camps until you get your 1st jungle item and a bit ap. its good sustain, against monsters its fine.

It's just a bit weird that maxing E, for the little damage it gives, is better than maxing W simply because of how eve's kit works with her ult. If you don't meet that threshold req when you go to assassinate someone, you failed your job as an assassin. It's the same reason why taking gathering storm is better on eve than waterwalking simply because you need as much damage as you can get to meet that threshold.

Katarina Gremοry2 votes

i guess free voidstaff passive just isnt good :^) and league needs more damage on invisible assassins like eve. kekw feels like a shaco main inspired thread.

XJ999999999999991 votes

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i guess free voidstaff passive just isnt good :^) and league needs more damage on invisible assassins like eve. kekw feels like a shaco main inspired thread.

Yes, it's a free passive alright. One that is on 1 target, has a cooldown that signals that you are near, ruining the element of surprise, has a 2.5 second time to go off, that shows where you are at the end, that you have to be close to proc it and potentially just die during the 2.5 seconds to the guy you are trying to kill or his allies. Or they just dash away and run away and that's that. Building Void is often correct due to this.

Eve is actually one of the more fair champions in League to play againsts. She also can't really 1 shot you until an item or level 6-7 (depends if she got kills/assists). If she doesn't have ult, she can't really duel or fight anyone until she has it, as she is an AP assassin, not an AD one who can just auto you after the burst.

The funny thing is, if they ninja put this buff in, no 1 would even notice. It's so small and it's just to make the Eve player feel better when using the skill and to actually reward using it.

Katarina Gremοry1 votes

You are saying everything word for word exactly the opposite how any good eve talks about the champ. even na high rank junglers say that people who dont fully utilise W are trash. and W having 2* second charge time not 2.5 is a mind game thing. same for the reveal, i for one use this to purposely tell em where i am and then go flank them while they still think im infront of em, this allows me to easily charge the next W and oneshot their backline. also eve is not supposed to duel anyone pre items or pre 6. She is a rush level 6 champ and assassinate stuff 1 by 1. 35% mr shred is worth more than 500 damage. so no damage buff needed :) just learn to proc it.

nm10101 votes

You should really do the math on the pen it gives. It is worth much more than some base damage.

XJ999999999999991 votes

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You should really do the math on the pen it gives. It is worth much more than some base damage.

25-35%, on targets that have 30-50 MR. wow sounds good thats like 3--6% more dmg sounds broken. Instead of having E deal more damage, resulting in faster clears and more bursty on targets if you happen to not be able to use the W fully. Maxing E gives a little less if not the same dmg a fully charged W gives during the early-mid game. She goes in an out of combat. If you are out for 4 seconds, it refreshes her E and gives her the empowered version, giving more value to maxing E 2nd.

People used to max W second for a little while but quickly reallized how garbage her W is and how unrealistic it is to get off. It's best used for the slow in most situations.

A big thing that makes it garbage is also the fact people can get free 30% tenacity from runes on a tree that damage dealers take. So your 1 second CC is now .7 seconds when you could have just Q W'd and got the same duration in a 65% slow, which is pretty much a root at that point.

nm10101 votes

25% on a 30 mr, 1k hp target (one of the worst scenarios) is equivalent to 75 extra damage. 35% on a 50 mr, 2k hp target is well over 300 extra damage. W max is a faster clear, not sure what you are on about there. Second max is dependent on match up, you can blue smite while W is charging without setting it off. This is great against vulnerable lanes. I know Metaphor hates it, but the stats don't lie

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XJ999999999999991 votes

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You should really do the math on the pen it gives. It is worth much more than some base damage.

25-35%, on targets that have 30-50 MR. wow sounds good thats like 3--6% more dmg sounds broken. Instead of having E deal more damage, resulting in faster clears and more bursty on targets if you happen to not be able to use the W fully. Maxing E gives a little less if not the same dmg a fully charged W gives during the early-mid game. She goes in an out of combat. If you are out for 4 seconds, it refreshes her E and gives her the empowered version, giving more value to maxing E 2nd.

People used to max W second for a little while but quickly reallized how garbage her W is and how unrealistic it is to get off. It's best used for the slow in most situations.

A big thing that makes it garbage is also the fact people can get free 30% tenacity from runes on a tree that damage dealers take. So your 1 second CC is now .7 seconds when you could have just Q W'd and got the same duration in a 65% slow, which is pretty much a root at that point.

Ever since eve's release, I've always said her W is her most underwhelming part of her kit. It still stands today.

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