Morde Q heals him for 1/3 of the amount with Gunblade

Ahristocats·Jul 9, 2017·46 votes·2,785 views

Because it would be too strong if he gets the entire amount

what about Q with that also has 550 range?

make it 1/3 just like morde Q

70 Comments

TheHappyReaperzJul 9, 201723 votes

Or, make Morde's Q AOE. It's only fair.

KaeblenJul 10, 20178 votes

you mean like it was always meant to be? when QWE were all AOE, and his skills actually had synergy with his passive?

MunchCrunchLunchJul 10, 20173 votes

yeah . it would totally be not op to do like 2k damage with 3 aoe autos. just make it heal fully.

Mecha IncognitoJul 10, 20172 votes

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Pierce The VealJul 10, 20171 votes

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yeah . it would totally be not op to do like 2k damage with 3 aoe autos. just make it heal fully.

Like he could actually get that many champions into his AOE.

OyddAWqJ5rJul 10, 20172 votes

Orianna

Pierce The VealJul 10, 20174 votes

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H-hey, but Orianna takes a ton of skill. It's not like her combo is literally QWR to instadelete you and your team...

HyperiönJul 10, 20175 votes

Orianna is actually one of the more difficult mages.

When you break it down like that it makes her look easy, which she isn't.

Ori can't just 1v1 anyone with the slightest of mobility.

Her Q travels slower than almost all skill shots.
If people wait to use their dash until they see Ori ult, there is a lot of her dmg gone.

And since her E doesn't really do anything except shield (and a very little shield at that). She only has 2 combat spells.

Bob the ToastrJul 10, 20172 votes

2?? Did you forget about her W? Her buffered W during her Q? Her bread and butter?

DaNinadJul 10, 20171 votes

Her r and w have similar damages

Pierce The VealJul 11, 20171 votes

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Orianna is actually one of the more difficult mages.

When you break it down like that it makes her look easy, which she isn't.

Ori can't just 1v1 anyone with the slightest of mobility.

Lol. Only if you can't hit her skillshots on them.

Her Q travels slower than almost all skill shots.

Not true. Not to mention it's on such a low cooldown, and it can come from all directions.

If people wait to use their dash until they see Ori ult, there is a lot of her dmg gone.

Many mages she plays against don't have a dash, so a good QWR=flash or dead.

And since her E doesn't really do anything except shield (and a very little shield at that). She only has 2 combat spells.

Actually, if you knew how to use her, you would realize that's bs. It deals damage to enemies it passes through when you use E. If you're smart, you can deal even more damage with it.

HyperiönJul 11, 20171 votes

Her shield, even if you hit it through someone deals peanut damage.

Pierce The VealJul 12, 20171 votes

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Her shield, even if you hit it through someone deals peanut damage.

Yeah it's also ridiculous that she gives a shield THAT ALSO GIVES ARMOR AND MAGIC RESIST.

KaeblenJul 10, 20171 votes

you never played old Mordekaiser , did you? the current 3-auto-Q is an abomination.

KalarepaJul 10, 20171 votes

But muh 3-hit autoattack!

Asayake 5150glowJul 10, 20172 votes

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Or, make Morde's Q AOE. It's only fair.

AoE three hit? Hell no

As a note, it used to be AoE. But Morde would be hella unstoppable if he ever got ahead with AoE Q.

TheHappyReaperzJul 11, 20171 votes

What about making it single target when striking champions, but AOE when striking minions. Gives Morde some better split-pushing ability, without being over the top in team fights.

Asayake 5150glowJul 11, 20171 votes

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What about making it single target when striking champions, but AOE when striking minions. Gives Morde some better split-pushing ability, without being over the top in team fights.

Or rather AoE around whoever he hits, except that AoE only hurts minions. The way you worded it is a little too complex and could either be buggy or abused, say if you're stacked with teammates on him, and there's also a minion there, he hits the minion and AoE's you all.

LordGeovanniJul 11, 20171 votes

It is aoe you press q once and hit 1 2 or 3 people with your 3 swings

Sire HippingtonJul 9, 201720 votes

well, that expains why i found Gunblade to be rather underwhelming for morde since the rework... The reasoning(if thats the official one) is pretty bullshit aswell. He needs to get 3 AAs of in melee range with no mobillity at all, that certainly is an issue. Ezreal getting full lifesteal from 1krange on his Q or cait healing +50% of her hp if she headshots a minion with BT is totally fine, but if an imobile melee gets some solid health back after 3 consecutive AAs, THAT really is an issue....[slayer-jinx-unamused]

5000000000000000Jul 10, 20172 votes

It's not so much that it'd be unbalanced if Morde received full healing from Q, but rather that it's just coded that way.

Cosmic WarperJul 10, 20171 votes

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It's not so much that it'd be unbalanced if Morde received full healing from Q, but rather that it's just coded that way.

that means it was hardcoded because his Q isn't an AoE spell by design. That or they didn't remove the AoE logic when reworking his Q, which is just as bad lol

5000000000000000Jul 10, 20171 votes

yeah it's still bad, but we gotta know exactly why it's bad

KnightOfEloHellJul 11, 20171 votes

His old Q was AoE. They left it coded like the old Q, but now it is a single target for each amped AA (but you can still hit 3 enemies for each Q)

Maybe it was kept this way to negate big healing when hid w and R already give him fat heals.

Sad hue

In other news, Gunblade and DD stack and is OP on Morde with stormraiders, I can imagine bloodlust too.

Off meta theory craft builds OP

WinterwingsJul 12, 20171 votes

My thought behind it is because the spell counts as a three-part spell (READ - Multiple Hits) Riot probably intentionally left the 1/3 penalty on it... Or maybe they just forgot about it which wouldn't be the first time xD

JunkοJul 10, 20171 votes

The real reasoning is most likely that it works like that because Q used to be AoE, but spaghetti code stops them from changing it's interaction with spellvamp now.

TwitchInMyPantsJul 10, 20171 votes

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well, that expains why i found Gunblade to be rather underwhelming for morde since the rework... The reasoning(if thats the official one) is pretty bullshit aswell. He needs to get 3 AAs of in melee range with no mobillity at all, that certainly is an issue. Ezreal getting full lifesteal from 1krange on his Q or cait healing +50% of her hp if she headshots a minion with BT is totally fine, but if an imobile melee gets some solid health back after 3 consecutive AAs, THAT really is an issue....[slayer-jinx-unamused]

"BUT WE GAVE HIM A DRAGON PET THAT CAN DO TOWERS FOR FREE"

"But wait Riot we didn't as-"

"THE THIRD SHOT ALSO SYNERGIZES WITH AP AND AD SO HES SUPER ITEM FLEXIBLE"

"We get it but we were fine with him building AP-"

"DID WE MENTION THE NEW HEALING? GOTTA AMP UP THE RISK TO KEEP IT FAIR"

Morde's rework is just totally fucking weird honestly. I think his abilities have good flow like they had, but the power is all over the place. I think if you cut some of this weird random power you wouldn't have inconsistencies like his Q counting as an AoE for healing.

Bob the ToastrJul 10, 20173 votes

I liked his rework better when his Q bonus damage was x1, x3, x9 instead of x3, x3, x6. That third hit was SO juicy.

SkiasJul 10, 20174 votes

Morde doesnt need buffs until he's reworked into less of a toxic mess.

AhristocatsJul 10, 20173 votes

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Morde doesnt need buffs

who said he needs buffs?

SquashCannonJul 10, 20171 votes

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who said he needs buffs?

This bug fix would be an undeniable buff to gunblade morde.

You as a Darius main ought to know the impact of certain bug fixes

AhristocatsJul 10, 20175 votes

i don't care about this bug fixe

I DONT CARE ABOUT MORDE

i want a draven nerf

ChaoticPineconeJul 10, 20171 votes

so stop shitting on Morde then.

AhristocatsJul 10, 20171 votes

like i said i don't care about morde

i just used him as an example of a spell having 1/3 of effectiveness to healing, and then suggested to use it on draven to balance him

idk what you can't understand?

ChaoticPineconeJul 10, 20171 votes

The title and main point of your post is to complain about Morde. If you want to complain about Draven, complain about Draven. Dont complain about Morde, make shade at Draven, the come back saying the entire point isnt to complain about Morde. Any logical individual would notice that Morde is the anomaly. Want to make things fair? Give Morde the full vamp on his Q.

Death's Dance gives 15% vamp of all single target physical damage. Draven's Q adds on single target physical damage to his autoattack. Draven is working as intended.

Making a bunch of expcetions to Death's Dance is stupid - the item would have to say something like, "UNIQUE: Instantly heal for 15% of all physical damage dealt. Area of effect physical damage only heals 5% for every unit affected. Except for autoattack enhancers like Draven's Q or Vayne's Q, which will be given the 5% heal like area of effect physical damage even though its single target. Except that doesnt apply for autoattack enhancers like Nasus' Q or Trundle's Q, because reasons. Exceptions to the exceptions - spells that count as autoattacks like Ezreal Q and Gangplank Q."

See how convoluted things get when you start making exceptions? The better design is to either say Deaths Dance is too powerful and nerf that item or say Draven is too powerful and nerf Draven.

LeonerdoJul 10, 20173 votes

Please put more effort into your posts. You weren't very specific, so I can't even tell if your suggestion is garbage or not. Also, I would argue that Morde's Q is the one that's in the wrong spot. (Seriously, why is it counted as AoE).

But the gist of your suggestion isn't terrible. It might make sense for the bonus damage from Draven's Q (not the whole AA) to have less lifesteal. Just so that Draven's early game power doesn't spike so hard with just level 5 and a Vamp Scepter.

junglerboy16Jul 10, 20173 votes

No, it heals him for 1/3rd amount because of spaghetti code tied to his old Q ability where it was an AoE ability that dealt crit damage vs a single target.

It should heal him for full vamp values, it's just too broken on the coding side to be worth the time it takes to fix.

ModAcademy KaynJul 10, 20173 votes

I'm still fairly certain someone did some hella math to disprove this in a similar thread, but yeah, I agree with the other guy that if anything, Morde would be the one changed, not Draven.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20172 votes

ya, mordes q not healing for the full amount just doesnt make sense. its an odd mechanic.

RewtJul 9, 20171 votes

uhhh. im pretty sure morde Q heals for the full 15%. Now his W and E are AOE so they are reduced.

AhristocatsJul 9, 201710 votes

check again then

RewtJul 9, 20172 votes

Well even if it does heal for 33% that would be because its a 3 part ability. So over the course of the whole ability it would give 100%. (99 if you wanna be specific)

Now if we look at any other champion who has a 1 use Auto attack enhancer they get the full benefit. Draven's Q is a 1 hit auto enhancer. It doesnt have to hit you multiple times to get its use out.

Also we need to look at how Gunblade works on ALL damage while Deaths Dance works on Physical damage only.

While I do think that Deaths Dance is too strong of an item. Arbitrarily gutting the effectiveness of an item on one champion is just not the way to go.

AhristocatsJul 9, 201713 votes

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Well even if it does heal for 33% that would be because its a 3 part ability. So over the course of the whole ability it would give 100%. (99 if you wanna be specific)

NA math? XD?

it doesn't matter if it hits 3 times even if it hits 3 times it heals for 33% of the effectiveness

https://i.gyazo.com/b9a9c79c996206a2a811d29a3fda82fd.png

Since all 3 hits are reduced, the outcome is still 33%, i don't know how NA learns math, but if you reduce all 3 hits by 33% it's not going to be 100% in the end but still 33%

example: 1st hit hits for 100 damage, same for 2nd, and 3rd 200 damage reduce all 3 of them by 33% and it heals for 33, 33, 66

33+33+66=132 which is 33% of 400(100+100+200)

Automated RivenJul 10, 201714 votes

Hey, I am american and I knew that math was bad.

Ariel the CruelJul 10, 20173 votes

i don't know how NA learns math

Same Way We Learn Capitalization And Punctuation Rules, Get Yelled At Until We Figure Out What Happened. ;p

Bottom LanerJul 10, 20174 votes

damn capitalists

SquashCannonJul 10, 20175 votes

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NA math? XD?

it doesn't matter if it hits 3 times even if it hits 3 times it heals for 33% of the effectiveness

https://i.gyazo.com/b9a9c79c996206a2a811d29a3fda82fd.png

Since all 3 hits are reduced, the outcome is still 33%, i don't know how NA learns math, but if you reduce all 3 hits by 33% it's not going to be 100% in the end but still 33%

example: 1st hit hits for 100 damage, same for 2nd, and 3rd 200 damage reduce all 3 of them by 33% and it heals for 33, 33, 66

33+33+66=132 which is 33% of 400(100+100+200)

Yes he is the representative of North American mathematics skill /s

By the way, how did EU do in rift rivals?

ModAcademy KaynJul 10, 20171 votes

Wait, since when does gunblade heal for 33% of damage? It heals for 5% of the damage done because that's 33% of 15% damage into health?

And when you do your math, are you including the health gained from the physical portion of Morde's Q? Morde's Q is considered on-hit, which is why it can't crit, so take 45% of his basic attacks swings, then 15% from his total on-hit damage, and then what do you have?

AhristocatsJul 10, 20171 votes

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Wait, since when does gunblade heal for 33% of damage?

i took 33% as an example because math are WAY easier than 5%