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I had such a great experience playying against zed

Succubús GF··80 votes·4,036 views

It was like yeah laning phase was kinda horrible because even though a ranged champion SHOULD have the advantage at least early, I couldn't really walk up to cs which was always a great experience (See; Pantheon) Then Zed got his super amazing first item, duskblade! Which is actually super cheap even though the passive is really strong and doesn't really have a cooldown, nice, right? Priced at 2900 , whereas people wanted to gut gunblade, an ap assassins only real way to do damage rn and its a whole 500 gold more! And the active actually has a cooldown. But that's okay! People are entitled to their opinions! Anyways so I walked back in to lane and guess what? I wasn't even past half way through mid lane and died again! Silly me I should've known better! People always say |"Buy stopwatch into zhonyas" Which is great! But only in theory because stop watch is a one time thing and by the time you get zhonyas he will have ult about 3-4 times and then you kinda just sit there and get bullied by someone who stays at a contant 50% wr throughout the entire game according to op.gg :D Isnt it so funny that people talk about pantheon yet he drops to below 50% the longer the game goes on. Zed however will be defended repeatedly ^.^

118 Comments

Blåbæret18 votes

Zed isn't even a melee champ tbh. Can spam poke better than any mage. Ridiculous champion when meta. Poor design, pure cancer to face.

Winek Chan3 votes

I'm fine with his damage but the poke needs to be reduced. It's cancer how much he can just bully in lane.

Zero Skill Tank13 votes

Stopwatch is a MEH choice against Zed, IMO. I'd rather take biscuits from that row, with manaband it would ensure I can farm from afar with abilities, and push back through his manalessness.

1-time Zhonya's would be golden against-pre duskblade Zed, to stop him from snowballing, but with Duskblade that doesn't really matter much, he will become massive threat no matter what. It makes your Zhonya's 300 gold cheaper, but than again biscuits will allow you to farm more and get zoned less, which should more than make up for this.

I kno that Zed players have massive hate-boner on stopwatch, but hey, whiners gonna whine.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

I'd rather have the Stop watch, it gets me Zhonyas 600 gold faster.

Zero Skill Tank4 votes

Only 300, unless you abuse the most banable bug since reselling corrupting potion.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

No it's 600.

Stop watch costs 600 gold so when you get it as a free item through runes you get 600 gold towards Zhonyas/GA/Garg Stoneplate.

Zero Skill Tank4 votes

Stopwatch is 600 gold.

But perfect timing gives you a Replica Stopwatch, which is 300. You can check it in practice mode.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Fair enough, you're right. Still I'd rather have it then Biscuits vs Zed, specially given the fact it reduces the Zhonyas/GA/GSP CDs by 15%.

Gives No Lux10 votes

I'll tell you the real secret to beating Zed mid. It involves Malzahar but not in the way you might think.

Take Predator, celerity, waterwalking and TP. Buy boots on your first back pre 6. Just farm at tower and let him sit mid lane spamming ctrl-4 until you're about 70% to 6. Then figure out whether top or bot lane is pushing, wait for him to use his Q, drop your voidlings and clear the wave. Jump into river, pop your predator and come flying into lane like a scene from The Frighteners. Then once you're done moping up the post-gank tears ask politely in /all 'no mia?'

Rinse, repeat and just sit back and wait for the inevitable 'please report zed' to roll in.

As a wise man once said: "If you can't beat 'em, tilt 'em."

Bronze 6 Yasuo7 votes

I'm dieing right now [sg-miss-fortune]

Succubús GF33 votes

Your spelling makes me want to die

Br4ndon1 votes

preach it

Catastrophic1 votes

Your profile pic works so well with this comment https://tundrafizz.space/fek-avatars/46796382.gif

Br4ndon1 votes

haha yeah, its my favorite gif

Troll for Trump7 votes

I had such a great experience playying against zed

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Succubús GF2 votes

Touche [fiora-cool]
Although it could be a play on words of |"ayy lmao"

IWrath7 votes

Zed's one of the weakest picks I've seen since the update. There are plenty of ways to stop him.

1.) Malzahar. E W tower push, constant vision and you win. You counter at every step of the game with just your R at the CD he is on plus a zhyonas. 2.) Zhyonas and more burst like Diana, Akali, (Syndra/Yas if you're capable of outplaying by wit and not skill.) 3.) Cho'gath. Cho'gath mid he isn't going to burst with you any combo in his arsenal.

You pick heavy cc and you don't fight the zed, you make the zed fight you or roam and be damn sure to warn your team and follow him. That is literally all it takes to stop him. When ya go with mage cc you always focus him because you're going to have the advantage in farm if you play the lane right.

Even if it means backing off a fight just to peel him a teammate, you hit him asap. If he ults, if you hit right after he's not going to kill anyone. It's not that strong anymore and that's why he's a weak pick into Malz, Annie, Ahri, etc.

Bronze 6 Yasuo5 votes

Zed haters never listen.

"OMG NERF PLOX"

IWrath1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XE4BzEjn,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-11-25T09:48:18.281+0000)

She won't listen.

"OMG NERF PLOX"

I don't know lol, that's my opinion on him and has been since the last assassin update, not just this season.

He ain't that strong, people just fail to understand how you play against him. He needs to be aggressive to win against you, unless you're the idiot who's being aggressive him in which case he'll take your mistake and shove it and your face.

Most of the time if you just play the farm game, and make him try starting something, you'll win if you've got lockdown.

Bronze 6 Yasuo5 votes

This. AP mages think they are the kings/queens of this game because they get the luxury of having range and it gets to their heads so when a zed takes advantage of their cockiness they get really confused and they get mad.

Succubús GF37 votes

Actually no, as a mage id just like to walk into lane without getting chunked for 80% of my hp. But ok You literally go on all my posts bc you are a zed main and must protect him I g

REPORTYASUOXD1 votes

Im not a zed main. I'm a yasuo main

Succubús GF16 votes

You've said that you main zed before but w.e

REPORTYASUOXD3 votes

You went 19/7/5 as katarina

Katarina is actually more broken than zed.

Did you know that?

Take a look at the tier list

Succubús GF19 votes

Take another look because kat falls off. Zed doesn't.

Bronze 6 Yasuo2 votes

wut. Katarina has waaaaay higher scaling than zed does.

Come on man. Give me some facts. You're wasting my time

Succubús GF18 votes

I literally just did you just don't comprehend. http://www.op.gg/champion/katarina/statistics/mid Hover win rate by game length

Bronze 6 Yasuo2 votes

But the thing is katarina players try and go in 1v5 and throw the game.

Point still is that katarina has better scaling.

Succubús GF26 votes

presents you with facts you ignore facts "MUH FACTS GIMME"

Thefrostyviking14 votes

Bruh,'

Statistics don't lie.

And its not that kata players go in 1v5 and die, it's the fact that she is outright bad against coordinated teams since she cant go in against them.

One CC hit and she is toast, because no cleanse and she needs time to deal her damage....and it's telegraphed, you always know where she is going if she wants to do damage.

Zed is way more unpredictable with his W and R in terms of direction and movement, which makes him a lot scarier to play against.

And then we have the fact that AD assassins early are just brutally powerful......like the average AP assassin needs 2-3 items and average AD needs 1.....

LordGeovanni1 votes

Actually statistics do lie because they are stats without context. you could find that kats are more likely to have 2 teammates dc at 20 mins and zeds are more likely to have 2 enemies dc at 20 mins. stats are meaning less without proper context

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Context is indeed important but how is that related to kata's chances of winning lategame?

I made a argument to back up the statement that kata is more likely to fail at her job lategame than zed is.

Sure you are right that context is important, but how is this related?

Statistics prove that kata is likelier to lose lategame compared to Zed, i offered a explanation to why this.

So where are you going with a sudden statement about the importance of context?

Ęsdeath1 votes

Oh well time to jump in. No, katarina is not more broken than Zed.

And the only reason why she starts falling off pretty hard (in terms of Win Rate) is because of Magic Resist, Healing and constant shielding in late game (and Health scaling) - there is no other reason other than that. Katarina is really fragile towards Magic Resist (specially because her ult, after the rework is heavily affected by magic resist) and that's why Void Staff and Haunting Guise are both in front of Luden's Echo, something that used to be her core item.

Zed, in the other hand, all he does is buy Duskblade, ult, fail all his abilities and AA - There, you killed a mage without zhonyas. With zhonya it's a bit different: The target stands 2.5 seconds doing nothing allowing zed to reset all his abilities and nuke you with Eletrocute (actually, this is not Eletrocute's fault). With katarina if you a fail single E, or mistakenly double E after a kill, or if you fail a dagger (it usually happens when it is going to disappear) you are most likely dead unless you have Flash to compensate for your mistake - Zed ... seems to be the opposite - Rewarded for failing everything.

I have seen Zeds failing their abilities over and over again and they still get a kill thanks to ONE item. Then, we can always play Zed-Yorick-splitpushing-simulator and build the remaining lethality items to deal up to 400 damage to turrets in every AA (now imagine this in a champion).

About scaling:

Katarina, indeed, gets 100% of her AP out in daggers - But Zed, instead, ults, and repeats ALMOST HALF (probably Half with runes) in his ultimate. Katarina's ultimate is really freaking weak around late game because it really doesn't outstand the whole healing, shielding and specially the magic resist - Imagine 150 MR applying 15 times in 2.5 seconds and she actually has to stand in the middle of the fight! Well ... zed, you can always run away.

Bronze 6 Yasuo2 votes

Completely wrong. I've played katarina and she is completely stomp if played well.

Ęsdeath1 votes

What? In my whole post above did I say it was impossible to play and win with her in early-mid-late game?

And seriously? It depends on how you embrace the "played well" part - I guarantee you, if you get an enemy team that knows how to preserve their CC against you and they build up enough MR and Health to sustain some of your damage, your mechanics will have no use whatsoever.

By these means, you would simply wait for your team to take the cc (if possible) and deal as much damage as it can to get the enemy team's attention (and then you would simply jump in and take down squishier targets) if your team can't do that - You lost the game; it is really rare if you (as you claim) are able to play katarina while getting locked down with CCs (and most of them are not hard to hit).

Even if you managed to win such game with your team tanking all the CC and getting the attention away from you - I would not say that "Katarina was broken", in fact, I would say that she simply used Game experience and nothing related to champion experience.

Gives No Lux5 votes

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Actually no, as a mage id just like to walk into lane without getting chunked for 80% of my hp. But ok You literally go on all my posts bc you are a zed main and must protect him I g

That isn't even the real issue with Zed, players with less than 20 games played simply need to buy serated dirk, point and click R then proceed to press every button on the left side of their keyboard in no particular order with the only requirement being to bind /laugh to every key prior to the start of the game.

By following these simple instructions even Zed players from the most novice to the (cough) most advanced (cough) can be successful in a game even while occasionally misunderstanding the instructions and managing to get their penis stuck in something.

Gives No Lux10 votes

{quoted}

Zed's one of the weakest picks I've seen since the update. There are plenty of ways to stop him.

Stopped reading and went to look at champion.gg. Hmm, imagine that, Zed is in the top 4 in overall performance across every single rank. Must be reading this post on the Bizarro World Forums...

I guess I'll go search for the thread where Riven mains are discussing how she's a pretty good champ to take top if it's your off role...

IWrath2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gives No Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XE4BzEjn,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-25T11:08:52.076+0000)

Stopped reading and went to look at champion.gg. Hmm, imagine that, Zed is in the top 4 in overall performance across every single rank. Must be reading this post on the Bizarro World Forums...

I guess I'll go search for the thread where Riven mains are discussing how she's a pretty good champ to take top if it's your off role...

You're playing a champ that was just released and are expecting to win.

Look at your malz/annie winrate 71 and 63, stop playing Zoe just because you think new is op. Shit you've even got 80 on Lux but the majority of your games are all on someone you shouldn't be using :)

Gives No Lux2 votes

{quoted}

You're playing a champ that was just released and are expecting to win.

Look at your malz/annie winrate 71 and 63, stop playing Zoe just because you think new is op. Shit you've even got 80 on Lux but the majority of your games are all on someone you shouldn't be using :)

I don't have an issue winning games vs. Zed. Just like all the other FOTM emote spamming 'get gud kid' champs he attracts the kind player that only sees his number of kills and is oblivious to anything else going on in the game.

That still doesn't change the fact that in his current state he epitomizes the kind of zero counterplay that makes encountering them a lackluster experience. His power base revolves around his ultimate and since it not only makes him invulnerable it also cancels any form of response or engage the only direct recourse is by tanking it with passive stats.

The entire previous rune system was removed because Riot decided that reliance on passive stats as a requirement for success was a poor implementation and didn't provide for engaging gameplay. It's all rather self explanatory.

As far as Zoe goes, it hasn't even been a week and she gets banned out every other game. I'll have her in the 60s by the time I finish mastery 6. Well, that is if teammates ever learn to stop breaking the Trouble Bubble with auto attacks........

Succubús GF2 votes

I KNEW I wasn't the only one thinking this

Lawd Dawg2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gives No Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XE4BzEjn,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-25T11:08:52.076+0000)

Stopped reading and went to look at champion.gg. Hmm, imagine that, Zed is in the top 4 in overall performance across every single rank. Must be reading this post on the Bizarro World Forums...

I guess I'll go search for the thread where Riven mains are discussing how she's a pretty good champ to take top if it's your off role...

Bro tf you looking at Zed is sitting at 26 for mid, hell, Pantheon, Talon, and Fizz all have better win rates then him

ninjaroxas4 votes

You kinda gotta a link the source or at least tell people it

Gives No Lux3 votes

I guess you're right. Putting faith in other's abilities is clearly the reason that I'm stuck in Silver as well ;)

http://champion.gg/statistics/?league=gold#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend

Link from Gold ranking. As I said Overall Performance and Zed's 3 there. Win rates don't give you any kind of measure of a champion's individual balance since there are too many outside factors that impact the game as a whole. That and as I've said before, Zed players don't care about the game, they are only staring at their own kill count.

How many times have you seen a 20/19/3 zed lose a game and say something like 'did team' or 'too heavy' after the game?

Funkynút4 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=iwrath [slayer-jinx-unamused]

IWrath2 votes

{quoted}

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=iwrath [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Point?

It's not like I no-life league lol. Half the time I play I'm shitfaced. I haven't taken this seriously since season 2 and after that I went 2 seasons without a single game....

The mechanics do not change, just because I might not be good enough to carry an entire team nonstop doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about after like what 400 games in mid last season? On top of that 60% wins against zeds and yasou's on multiple champs.

Funkynút3 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=iwrath

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Funkynút2 votes

just kidding bro X'D <3

Subject 51 votes

{quoted}

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=iwrath [slayer-jinx-unamused]

[sg-lulu]

Catastrop4 votes

I don't have much of an opinion on Zed atm, but this post is honestly hilarious.

Succubús GF7 votes

My goal was more comedic so I'm glad :^)

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