Draven is not broken because of DD, stop spreading that myth.

Rexxiee·Jul 8, 2017·22 votes·1,469 views

He has similar or even higher win rates by rushing BT or going the IE/Shiv build.

He can even rush ghostblade, he legit can build anything and 1 shot you while being a semi tank due to overtuned support items + lifesteal, but lifesteal is not a issue by itself, it just looks broken here because hes unburstable with supports giving him 3 health bars and when you remove the natural counter to lifesteal which is CC + burst then of course its going to be a problem.

Its a Draven problem, he needs nerfs (+ the support items).

22 Comments

Big LincolnJul 8, 20176 votes

i wish he couldn't heal for 3/4 of his lifebar even though I've stacked armor against him

not even sure how I'm supposed to fight him, even after he feeds in lane I have to worry about him getting one kill and coming back into the game. doesn't even fall off like he's allegedly intended to

RexxieeJul 8, 20174 votes

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i wish he couldn't heal for 3/4 of his lifebar even though I've stacked armor against him

not even sure how I'm supposed to fight him, even after he feeds in lane I have to worry about him getting one kill and coming back into the game. doesn't even fall off like he's allegedly intended to

He lifesteals for so much because he just deals too much raw damage, his damage just needs to be lowered overall.

Doesnt help he cant be bursted either if he has any support on his side giving him 3 hp bars/shieds.

UnboundHadesJul 9, 20171 votes

I still fell like his q needs changed because it's the only reason people say he requires skill while he just 2 shoting squishies without even trying

Fisher No ChainsJul 8, 20175 votes

Nah, just wait for downvotes of Draven mains because without DD "Draven is super balanced thanks to his high skill cap!"

A disgustingly good early game and a snowball passive on an adc, a class that is supposed to scale better than everyone else, is just bad design. He might really need some tweaks.

SenzaRespiro89Jul 9, 20171 votes

I mean it's not like he wasn't bullshit before. His old passive giving bleeding dmg. L M A O. That shit was fun, one level 1 Q and the enemy adc needed two pots to get back. Riot then thought giving the best (back then and arguably still today) early game adc a snowball passive would be fine.

PePsiLemoNNJul 8, 20175 votes

hes unburstable with supports giving him 3 health bars . . . Its a Draven problem, he needs nerfs

what

RexxieeJul 9, 20173 votes

ITT draven mains trying to twist the truth.

"but everything is op except for draven!!!" "DD is what makes draven OP even though his highest w/r build doesnt even have it!!!" "but he has to catch axes to 2 shot you!!!"

IceKingChernobogJul 9, 20172 votes

maybe the should revert that Q damage buff, they gave him a while back.

SnakDatSmilesBakJul 11, 20171 votes

That was a tiny buff, like a few damage points. I don't think that's the issue.

CrabPeopleReformJul 8, 20171 votes

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CrabPeopleReformJul 8, 20171 votes

from your post i assume you are a lee sin vayne thresh jinx ahri zed player draven has lots of counterplay he is filled with counterplay and he is toxic in solo q thx to dd there is a reason on why pro players used jhin when was at 46% win rate and not draven

Yaśuo MainJul 8, 20171 votes

Is it a thing where people think supports making the ADC unkillable means the ADC is broken. Because it's getting old.

FantasySniperJul 9, 20171 votes

I'm pretty sure it's both.

I mean, Draven has always been OP, and DD just really accentuates his strengths.

l Helios lJul 9, 20171 votes

It's not a Draven problem. The champion has been the same for 6 months now. If anything, it's compounding issues, such as the Warlords change plus changes to DD and other AD items, plus new GA is kinda dumb too. Don't forget that other ADs like Cait and Xayah, Karma and Zyra have gotten nerfs, etc. The removal of some of this stuff plus changes that benefited Draven have brought him up in overall power. Plus he works well into weaker laners like Jhin and Twitch, and he handles Lucian well. Plus with the 5 bans per team now, Cait and Lucian and Xayah will probably get banned out, further bringing Draven forward compared to the rest of the AD lot because he excels in the early game, where the vast majority of the focus of each game is atm.

It's not a Draven thing, it's a bunch of factors, ergo, flat Draven nerfs may not be appropriate.

DemainaNyxJul 9, 20171 votes

Watched a Draven 3v1 a Maokai, Nautilus, and Lucian once. No support to heal him or anything besides him catching axes and getting the heal off of DD. And considering he ate a lot of CC from both Naut and Mao, it's surprising he was able to burst out Lucian easily before slowly chipping away at the other two.

PrinceOfStormsJul 9, 20171 votes

Draven is broken because all ADCs are inherently busted as fuck.

ProfDrDeathJul 9, 20171 votes

Draven needs a hard look at his base stats, imo. He has rather over-average values for both base AD and base AS, and especially the AS could make him scale too well.

VoraciousXJul 9, 20171 votes

The sad thing is I actually made a post a while back about Draven and got downvoted into oblivion. The guy went mostly defensive offensive style items, sold his GA for a gargoyle stone plate, and still 2 shot me(first shot was 90% of my HP bar) AFTER I, a full build AP Shaco, unleashed a full combo on him, which only got him down to half health. The only person on our team that could kill him was a Veigar and he had a QSS for Veigar's E so he could just walk up and one shot him as well. You don't need to catch axes when you can just use your Q as you're going to attack and nearly one shot them, then auto normally for the other 10%. I hate that "he has to catch his axes" excuse too btw. Most of the time when using his Q he can stand in one spot and it just floats right back to him.

That said, I would like something to make Death's Dance not optimal on ADCs. It's too good for them. Perhaps make the bleed effect 10% base bleed + 1% per 20 bonus HP or something with a max of 30% so that the class it was meant for are likely to build it more often. At 400 HP it'd be at it's live values which would only need a cleaver.

Ninjas FlossingJul 9, 20171 votes

most hp items have roughly 400 hp 400/20 = 20 so 1 item and you woud cap it out causing adcs to just build a randuins or something along side it

VoraciousXJul 9, 20171 votes

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most hp items have roughly 400 hp 400/20 = 20 so 1 item and you woud cap it out causing adcs to just build a randuins or something along side it

Thing is though they'll have less damage than now if they do that. They'd still be making a tradeoff for that. Even if they built black cleaver they'd have to give up either a defensive offensive item, IE/ER, or an attack speed item. Not to mention most ADs aren't as good with black cleaver because they can't stack it properly(only Lucian, MF, and Xayah could reliably stack it I think).