Why Pyke is struggling

The Ecdysiast··2 votes·979 views

Pyke breaks the rules of the summoner's code. That is to say, while playing Pyke obviously isn't against the rules, Pyke's concept as a champion is.

Here are two of several cases that set a precedent for what counts as such a blatant disregard for allies' roles that it warrants a suspension: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point

In both cases, the players actually performed relatively well at what they were doing. And they did so over many, many games. In fact, the Nunu was actually the #1 Nunu in NA at the time, playing like that every game. They didn't run it down mid or afk. But they played what they wanted without regards to the fact it wasn't cohesive with a team. When they picked Nunu or Singed support, it left the team without any of the strengths a support champion would normally provide. In the Nunu case, it effectively forced the ally jungle never to get to counter-jungle. And in the Singed case, the very nature of the champion is completely opposed to the role of a support.


Here's where Pyke comes in. He may have two forms of hard CC, but unlike even something as silly as Riven or Camille support, he is literally incapable of building defense effectively. And the fact he isn't a long-range poke mage means he doesn't directly counter any supports, either. He is an assassin through and through, with the only aspect of his kit that supports allies more than it benefits himself being the gold he sometimes shares.

This means that, like in the two cases cited above, the entire team must pick and/or play around the fact they don't have a support-- they instead have a Pyke, who is incapable of effectively buying anything supportive besides an income item for himself. This is why we see Pyke instead being played jungle, where having an assassin is perfectly conducive with a functioning team in most matchups. But even then, he isn't performing because he isn't balanced around farming jungle camps.

I'm not saying that people who play Pyke should be punished, but Riot should scrap the idea of him being played mainly as a support just as they were forced to scrap the idea of Mordekaiser being played mainly as a bot laner. They should balance him entirely around being a jungler, instead, so he can do his job without hindering the entire team.

6 Comments

The Ecdysiast1 votes

It'd be nice to see some discussion on this.

rtbf2216514121 votes

Rakan is something that was supposed to be a pure AP or AP/HP support.

His lines suggest he was basically AP pure bred risk taking diving support.

So...

The Ecdysiast1 votes

And he has both a shield and heal along with two forms of hard cc, both AoE. He has the ability to purchase support items and/or defense, unlike Pyke. And he has the ability to easily leave the enemies he's just knocked up/charmed via his E, making up for being squishier than regular vanguards.

Rakan is actually an example of how they can make a support not just another engage tank or just another immobile enchanter, and do it right. Pyke is an example of their misguided attempts to be unique, while missing the plot of a role entirely. Exactly like Mordekaiser in 2015, which was a massive failure.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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And he has both a shield and heal along with two forms of hard cc, both AoE.

Fiddlesticks is a support.

Just saying. Might want to keep your mouth shut if you don't understand there isn't just enchanters and 'support item' supports.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

MAGE support is one of the THREE support types. Pyke still falls under NONE of them. You're being stupid here.

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X7PM2QaF,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-15T18:21:19.916+0000)

MAGE support is one of the THREE support types. Pyke still falls under NONE of them. You're being stupid here.

So the moment we actually get an AD support, it makes it not viable?

He falls under "DAMAGE SUPPORTS"

Annie Brand Fiddlesticks

He is the FIRST AD support? You know, the one that WE NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT SUPPORT ITEMS BUILT AROUND?

You know, the one we burn armor with item 3071 , burn magic resistance with item 3091 , give players gold in a ADC gold deprived meta with item 3302 and his ult, has a stun, can slow hard Glacial Augment (but has to build item 3144 to get the AoE slow), or even item 3022, and etc?

Cool story bro. Tell it again.

Also:

http://na.op.gg/champion/pyke/statistics/support

Tier 2. 87.65% role pick rate via support.

Don't bring up the winrate. He hasn't been out long enough to be experimented with on top of being the first AD support.

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