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Riot stop nerfing Rek'Sai's damage

Visigoth··99 votes·4,954 views

She was supposed to be a bruiser, and now you've nerfed her so many times she pretty much is forced to build like Mundo. Pretty soon she's gonna turn into Elise 2.0, or even worse, pre-rework Evelynn who just gets nerfed so many times they aren't even viable.

Did you not learn from Kha'Zix, Elise, Pantheon, Olaf, Xin Zhao, Alistar, Vi, Volibear, Udyr, Warwick, AD Nidalee, Kayle, Jarvan, Gnar, Akali, and----

Holy shit you get the point. You can't just let a champion have tons of free damage reduction so the build full damage and can tank, or have so much base damage they build full tank and melt everyone.

Seriously, look at Garen-- Super tanky, but literally no damage at all. Balanced champion. Look at Draven, metric fuckton of damage, but at the cost of little utility and being able to be zoned away from axes. Balanced.

Now look at past mistakes. Kha'Zix, full damage, goes invis to take 50% reduced damage. Lead to him eventually getting gutted. Akali had a similar mechanic on her W, led to a few nerfs and resulted in making her kit clunky as hell. I don't need to talk about Olaf or Elise.

Riot, don't do this to Rek'Sai. You already gutted her damage so she can't be a bruiser, you can't gut her utility. That literally leaves her to be a meat shield. You're going to nerf her to the point where she is pretty much Mundo 2.0 who just sits there absorbing hits for your carry, and in an actual fight is just a minor inconvenience.

72 Comments

insaiyanbacca37 votes

thing is mundo hurts more then rek most of the time honestly

BewmBewmVi20 votes

Garen no damage? Build Youmuu's, Black Cleaver, Randuins, and Spirit visage. 5th item can be more tank or more damage, depending on what your teams needs. You become very hard to kill and can still 1 combo squishes. He's balanced by long cooldowns, no mobility, and little to no ability to outplay enemies. That's just been my experience, anyway.

Sinlaire19 votes

clearly you havent been killed by a garen that somehow chased you down and killed you while spinning like a damn beyblade.

because that happened to me yesterday.

chipndip12 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLcVVfm6ISc

EvilRabbitt2 votes

Garen : DEMACIA!!!! summoner 4 summoner 6 item 3284 item 3074 item 3078 item 3072 item 3065 item 3068 Garen : AHHH! JUSTICE!!!

DeusVult12 votes

There is only one true Garen build, and its no longer possible

FastAsHeck3 votes

RIP dfg one shot kill garen :(

Celeste Benal1 votes

https://youtu.be/wnirEjsXczA

GankLord1 votes

I was agreeing with you until it came to the no mobility a shutta ya face. Garen tis king of chase

The Ellimiist14 votes

kit so overloaded and broken it cant be balanced damage wise. I've been building cinder/tank reksai for few patch and her kit is so broken that even with no damage outside a black cleaver, im still wrecking everyone.

MohawkBird7 votes

Her kit isn't really that broken. It's literally a normal kit for a bruiser with a little extra mobility. Not to mention that she sacrifices a potentially high damage ultimate for map control. I think her kit is balanced.

iainB8510 votes

If you want her to be a bruiser then something else has to give. She currently has:

  • Top tier mobility
  • A unique way of seeing people in the fog of war
  • An AoE knockup
  • Resourceless

That's too much advantages for her to be a top tier bruiser on top of it. Why would you ever play other bruisers such as Renekton if she could match his damage? You simply wouldn't.

EvilRabbitt2 votes

To your second point, she can also see stealthies. Understandably given how the skill should work. Just wanted to point it out though ^.^ Found out when I could not gank top lane rek as evelynn EVER. Mildly frustrating.

ChargeItDownMid8 votes

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DorkunedAuras2 votes

Ali has AoE heals, a bigger AoE knockup, plus a massive knockback, and the strongest defensive buff in the game. Rek has none of that.

ChargeItDownMid7 votes

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Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

So rek'sai deals no damage, has no defensive stats, and has 1 CC ability, her entire kit now is based off of tunneling in on your enemy and setting up kills, lets nerf that to so she has nothing :D

TheXtractor2 votes

The only reason she deals no damage is because she used to deal a massive amount of damage by just building warrior and going full tank afterwards. Although I agree they should nerf her utility instead of her damage since she'll just become a meatshield tank like all the other popular junglers...

Migrañaboy1 votes

I remember getting hit by a 500 true damage bite at TT by Rek Sai.

Irelia Bot5 votes

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Ali has AoE heals, a bigger AoE knockup, plus a massive knockback, and the strongest defensive buff in the game. Rek has none of that.

But Ali is not a jungler anymore and it was a nightmare when jungle ali was actually a thing. His ganks were literally too reliable and effectve.

Irelia Bot6 votes

The issue is her knockup is really easy to land and use over and over in a team fight.

She needs the effected area reduced or the speed of E slowed down instead of her base stats reduced.

LoLKiru2 votes

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The issue is her knockup is really easy to land and use over and over in a team fight.

She needs the effected area reduced or the speed of E slowed down instead of her base stats reduced.

I think if the next nerf ends up going through (which lets be honest it will) she could use some reverts to the other nerfs she got, notably the pointless base stat nerf and some of the damage nerfs (dunno if she should go back to release rek'sai damage though)

On a side note, since this is before my time, WHY was Kha'Zix even given damage reduction in the first place? If they wanted to make his ult stronger, why not increase the stealth time (or some other kind of buff to the stealth)

Irelia Bot2 votes

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I think if the next nerf ends up going through (which lets be honest it will) she could use some reverts to the other nerfs she got, notably the pointless base stat nerf and some of the damage nerfs (dunno if she should go back to release rek'sai damage though)

On a side note, since this is before my time, WHY was Kha'Zix even given damage reduction in the first place? If they wanted to make his ult stronger, why not increase the stealth time (or some other kind of buff to the stealth)

It was to try and make him viable again.

As for Rek'sai if she disapears fro mthe game they might buff some damage and base stats. But it is an issue currently of not being able to realistically react to her ganks that is making this nerf happen.

Riot tends to do some nerfs that are really harsh and lave a champ there. For example see Urgot and I think that Leblanc will be in that spot for a while now since everyone seems to hate her.

LoLKiru4 votes

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It was to try and make him viable again.

As for Rek'sai if she disapears fro mthe game they might buff some damage and base stats. But it is an issue currently of not being able to realistically react to her ganks that is making this nerf happen.

Riot tends to do some nerfs that are really harsh and lave a champ there. For example see Urgot and I think that Leblanc will be in that spot for a while now since everyone seems to hate her.

Understandable, Rek'Sai's ganks are absurdly strong (I'm not even that great of a jungler and even I can put in work with her, by just approaching at odd angles like going through the thick wall near purple side bot tower). I'd like to avoid seeing her becoming another Elise (and I really do sympathize with Elise players, it feels terrible to have your favorite champion in a bad spot).

IOnlyPlayVoidChamps 2015 (Seriously though Kha could use some changes, maybe something to keep him from NOT getting screwed by anyone sticking near even a single minion).

I think the biggest problem with Riot is that they repeatedly nerf the wrong things, and then when they finally nerf the right thing; they don't revert the things they messed up on.

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

Honestly though, F**k Leblanc. I'm really damn happy that her winrate dropped, without even touching her damage.

EvilRabbitt2 votes

I hope she gets her AP scaling back. That was thoroughly enjoyable. So sad they basically decided that Rek'marine'sai was not allowed =(

Sammystorm5 votes

Mundo and draven were pretty terrible examples.

Mundo gets some of the most if not the most free damage out of any champion in the game.

Draven had to get a mini rework to become balanced.

Epsilaun4 votes

yea i never saw why rek got nerfed so much in first place. her damage was mediocre at best in first place and she had to build tanky cause she wasnt naturally one, not even that great of mobility unless the enemy is foolish enough to leave her tunnels to be reused.

Yosuke Apperu6 votes

The problem is rek'sai's Q synergy with item 3077 or item 3074 .. also the fact that at max fury she can deal upto 240% AD .. It's a possible true damage execute that scales very hard with ad.. I feel like it's just hard to balance a champion like that because of the way her power budget is divided throughout her kit. Also global map presence is something that would take up a huge portion of said budget. Rek'sai does honestly have an overloaded kit.. though her mains and "mains" don't want to admit it. Gap closer, sustain, aoe, knock up, long range poke which can give vision of enemies in fog of war/brush, mobility, global presence possibility, and possible true damage execute... also don't forget tremor sense! XD and a perma attack speed steroid passive.

MohawkBird1 votes

Her gap closer is on a very long cooldown and is extremely telegraphed. Her knockup can only occur once within quite a long time-frame, so you are likely only to get one knockup off on a target in a fight. Her long range poke is mediocre at best and is only useful for scouting areas and bushes. The true damage execute might be over the top but it requires you to be in the fight pretty long. I'm not even a Rek'Sai main, or "main" as you like to say, I'm just saying her kit isn't really that much different from any other bruiser, with the only different thing I can think of is the map pressure and tremor sense, and she sacrifices a combat ultimate for said map pressure.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

All i'm saying is that she's not nearly as bad as they make her seem. I still feel she is viable and has her niche. Also to clarify a Main is someone who plays a champ and loves playing them no matter what, a "main" is someone who plays them because they're over the top in strengths, etc. She has an incredibly loaded kit lol.

SoMNia4 votes

I wish they'd give her back the scaling on Queen's Wrath. Not the base damage, just the scaling. So she at least has the OPTION to build as a bruiser. Now she's only a tank (even though they nerfed her health, too), and they want to nerf her CC? It's pretty stupid.

Shroom Junkie3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Best Scyther KR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X1TQbsW1,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-06-28T20:36:48.023+0000)

Seriously, look at Garen-- Super tanky, but literally no damage at all. Balanced champion.

Not saying Garen is unbalanced but he does a fuck ton of damage. I play Garen a lot and I can personally say due to his tankiness and since he's almost always sustained before a fight with his passive, Warmog's, and Spirit Visage, he can generally 1v1 almost anyone. Even Teemo. At least, in my experience. And when Garen does build damage he can carry so hard. I once went something like 24/1/something with Garen and due to being pretty fed early just built full damage besides a Warmog's and started feeding off of other lanes.

MohawkBird2 votes

I honestly hate it when Riot keeps nerfing champions where they only become used for the little bit of CC that they have. Rek'Sai is nothing more than a knockup bot now. Same goes for Elise, they nerfed her damage so much the only thing she is good for is the stun. What doesn't make sense to me is how an early game oriented bruiser now doesn't even have that going for her now and just become a straight up tank.

SwiftKitten882 votes

honestly i couldn't agree more with the OP, they are removing the one useful thing she has left she can do...

Surr20plz2 votes

I quit playing Rek.

Good thing apparently.

Dengeden2 votes

Even with the nerf to unburrow's width, she'll retain her early pressure, which is still the largest of any jungler. I'm not sure if nerfing her will succeed in letting other junglers shine in the pro scene (without making her useless) but a man can dream.

Also, Kha'zix just isn't meta. Don't you dare mention Akali because it's the community's fault she got gutted. Eve sees some play, even in LCS. Olaf is fine, don't believe in internet memes. Elise is one of the few champions that fall off late, I kind of like that tbh.

LICENSED HOOKER2 votes

Wait he mentioned udyr? Was udyr more broken then this? O.O

Tolfor2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Best Scyther KR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X1TQbsW1,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-06-28T20:36:48.023+0000)

Seriously, look at Garen-- Super tanky, but literally no damage at all. Garen literally no damage at all

You had me going until you said this. Not only is it an obnoxious misuse of the word "Literally" purely for emphasis, but it's entirely wrong. Other champions are the lawn, and Garen is the lawnmower. You don't even have to sacrifice too much durability to get his spin to the point where it shreds squishies apart like mulch.

ScurryLizard2 votes

This sounds like the usual "I have to be a team player so this champ is useless" sort of complaining. If you feel like you have to be a big damage dealer to be useful, then you're playing the game wrong. Rek'sai is a massive teamfight presence, has great utility, and can split push freely because her ult can take her right back to her team if she's bothered leaving tunnels around.

edit: Also, have you never played against a Garen post-Cleaver changes? He does a shitton of damage and can chase forever

Emperor Time1 votes

rek'sai is good because her CC ability is so easy to use not because she has damage, the damage is just a thing on the side. Just think of her as a better version of pantheon.

pripustas1 votes

That is why they nerf her. So she can't output insane damage with full def build. But then she can't output decent enough damage to be built as a hybrid, so they build her full def. They need to change the way they "balance" champions. And rather give less base damage later, and give more scaling damage. That is how they should balance all champions. So they scale with offense more later, while having less damage without offensive items.

Saianna1 votes

I got kinda angry that you didn't mention Eve, but you did... So, Yea Lets fight for brighter tomorrow for all champions hated by Riot!

Shrek Luigi1 votes

Wrecksai please stop building item 3726 :(

Migrañaboy1 votes

I remember rek sai landing a 500 true damage bite on the treeline.

UPfreely1 votes

I'm confused, what in her kit do you want to be sacrificed so she can retain damage? She's pick/ban for a reason and somethings gotta give.

9kPluzZ1 votes

Did you just say Vi, pantheon, and J4 were nerfed to the ground...

Gaddafi1 votes

Mundo has strong damage, Garen too.

leko bel zet 1 votes
  1. thing is all her mobility can be countered by stepping on the tunels
  2. "well her E has true damage....." NO play her and see how many time you get to bite with max fury.
  3. has 1 cc not bad.... but at a very expensive cost you are literally putting your self in the middle of the fight. "well it works 1 vs 1...." yea about that she does no dmg know so you probably don't wanna do that.
  4. no slow, prey will escape
  5. you are a glorified knock people robot and a meat shield congratulations. yea.....moral of the story if u wanna be a tank jung play grag wanna do dmg and be a walking cancer play nid or lee sin.

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