Kayn and Udyr need to be addressed

The Ecdysiast··2 votes·1,451 views

There is absolutely no excuse for a champion having only a 53% loss rate against counters, while having a 61% winrate against champions they counter. A 53% loss rate isn't even considered a counter, if 61% is.

There's simply too little counterplay and counter-building against them. They have the options to build armor shred without a penalty thanks to low-cost spammable abilities. They're too effective for the simplicity and versatility of their kits. It's basically season 2-3 Nidalee all over again, but instead of doing relatively well in several roles, they do relatively well on the map as a whole without needing to take other roles.

Of course, other examples of this trend exist and should be addressed as well. But it's far more balanced for a champion to be countered as hard as they counter others than to have no actual counters-- and still counter others-- like this.

Hell, it'd be better even for a champion not to counter anyone or have any counters, with a solid 50% winrate performance across every matchup, than to simply beat others with no counter themselves.

6 Comments

Kurt Hyzan1 votes

Why Udyr ?

Yenn1 votes

Udyr is completely useless in the mid to late game (especially the mid game). I need 4-5 kills in the first 10 minutes to stay relevant.

The problem is that Udyr is incredibly strong in the first 5 minutes and the current state of the game is rewarding to monkeys who get tilted and stop functioning if they have a poor start.

Yenn1 votes

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Why Udyr ?

Because he's frustrating to play against for bad players and monkeys

Kurt Hyzan1 votes

Yeah he's frustrating, but also really useless. Atm he's like a worse Singed

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Except for the fact he falls under the same state of having no counters that Kayn does. You can pretend "bad players" are the only ones to lose to him all you want, but the stats aren't from bronze, they're from diamond.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Except for the fact you're simply incorrect. If YOU need 4-5 kills in the first 10 minutes to stay relevant, you're just... bad at Udyr. Or rather, if you struggle to get them you're bad at Udyr. Either way, it's incredibly clear that you're simply bad at Udyr and want to pretend it's the champion's fault you don't know how to play him.

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