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What do you guys think about Wukong ?

option paralysis··7 votes·868 views

He's my most played champ, but I just can't play him top anymore. Same as last season, where you saw maokai and fucking darius/fiora in every game, playing him top feels like torture. This season you can add galio and gragas to the torture list too. They press E and cancel your whole identity as a champ. You could even win lane somehow, but they'd just build tanky and be more useful than you anyway. I still love him a lot, but top is torture... In the jungle a red buff can almost 1v1 you... He can be played mid and cheese some champs, but as soon as you go against some safe long range mages, you're fucked. He still has a high winrate, but I pressume that comes from low elo lethality one shots. I didn't see master or challenger wukong players since allorim dropped him too, like 2 years ago. He didn't get changed since season 4, I believe and new champs/reworks and meta changes are working against him every time. His passive and clone have a lot of room for changey, though and possibly his E too, further increasing his lore of cloud jumping and shiieet like that.

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13 Comments

PhantomGG2 votes

Wukong is in a very weird spot at the moment. Becuase of his W/E/R combo, he is basically a AD version of malphite, in the sense you sneak up on the team and get that amazing five man knock up. And any ultimate like that can be a game changer that wins your team the game. It's this combo that keeps wukong relevant. You as a wukong main im sure allready knows this.

However he greatly struggles against juggernauts and some tanks. Wukong shines greatly in top lane carry metas, but even then a talented fiora and riven player should be able to shit on you, and god forbid if Quinn is meta in top again.

To make things worse we can't exactly buff E or Q either, other we will just flat out make WU Kong broken.

So the question is here

Do we nerf his team fight power in favor of buffing his lane phase? Or do we nerf his lane phase even more so to buff his team fight power? For we can't simply give him both.

I feel the real answer here is a rework, but the thing is, he doesn't need one.

Wukong is honestly in a really weird spot of.

"what do we do?" We see the slipperly slope of him being more out dated every season, but the thing is unlike other champions for example akali and aatrox who are mega out dated, he hasn't reached that point yet. So do we update him before he reaches that point? or do we just leave him as is for now?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Becuase of his W/E/R combo, he is basically a AD version of malphite,

I read this, often.... too often. he's not like malphite. Malphite when he use his ult, can still be useful as frontline. Wukong when he ult they're only 2 possibility either he OS the carry , either he failed his ult and he's dead.

Wukong shines greatly in top lane carry metas, but even then a talented fiora

Wukong shit on fiora, not the reverse.

I feel the real answer here is a rework, but the thing is, he doesn't need one.

no, he definitly need it. How can u says Akali is mega outdated, but not wu ?

Aenaeus1 votes

He doesn't have a fucking real passive, that's his issue.

nm10101 votes

If they dropped his team fighting passive for a split push/1v1 passive he would be a godly carry top laner.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Even with a new passive, if they keep his current kit, he'll never become godly.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

He's my most played champ, but I just can't play him top anymore. Same as last season, where you saw maokai and fucking darius/fiora in every game, playing him top feels like torture.

hum... Wukong rekt Fiora during early to early mid. And not only at low elo. Darius isn't the worst match up for Wu (despite unfavorable for Wu, but Darius is for many).

This season you can add galio and gragas to the torture list too.

Nothing to add here... mainly Gragas, this champ is so stupid, u take midlife with a short trade against him going full tank... JESUS I hate tanks.... so unfun.

In the jungle a red buff can almost 1v1 you...

i don't agree... but anyway Wukong can't start at raptor. Just this is already a big weakness.... But even without atm Tank rules in jungle.

He still has a high winrate, but I pressume that comes from low elo lethality one shots. I didn't see master or challenger wukong players since allorim dropped him too, like 2 years ago.

U are wrong here :

  • even at mid elo and high elo Wukong is played only by otp. OTP thing is what explain the "high winrate" of wukong (not so high if u considere the low pickrate).
  • Mad & Akabane (EUW) have reached master many time this year
  • Divine Wukong (EUW) too (last year if i recall)... before going on Russian server (so now is chall there).

His passive and clone have a lot of room for changey, though and possibly his E too, further increasing his lore of cloud jumping and shiieet like that.

Yeah, his whole kit need a rework. I'm not fond of his ult (a dps ult for a bursty champ [zombie-brand-mindblown] ).

Season 4 hydra last whisper rush never forgetti.

Wasn't there... but i don't like Hydra...

What do you guys think about Wukong ?

He's cool... i mean he's Sun Wukong. But his kit is so poor, he's too binary, his laning is weak af, in jungle he's not so good (close of garbage before lv6), mid they're no reason to pick him (its true for other role, but its even more true mid). I still hope they keep him as a niche champ like talon (just played by a few unless when op).

Botifier1 votes

If we are talking about lethality wukong the problem is that his q armor negation increases the value of his lethality similar to jarvan. Wukongs current state is likely due to lethality though I have never liked to deal with him anyway. The monkey honestly needs a rework but if they fix lethality he shouldn't be as much of a problem.

AwesomeGuyDj1 votes

He's pretty much garbage where the only place he is good is URf with perma invis you cant do anything against short of stunning him.

Sire Hippington1 votes

He's not in a that bad spot, even in higher elos, but he can use some small buffs, especially for his laneing. I think a mana and partial cd refund on kill with Q might help his laneing alot, maybe even with a small hp-resotr like Talon's Q. And for teamfights, i feel like his ult could use a QoL buff. They simply should change the tick rate to 0.5 sec so the damage and cc is more consistent and BC actually is more than a nobbtrap. Right now, you often can flash into an opponent duering ult and then not get the knockup till ~1sec later, yllowing them to escape from the flash-knockup. It also makes it easy to get on him with dashes like gragas E rather than knocking them out of it befor they reach you, and you only applie 4/6 BC stacks over the full 4 sec duration, and 4 sec is a long time in today's league(Non-BC builts do have a higher winrate on him for a reason)

Miudmon1 votes

I'd call him pretty balanced, if maybe a touch on the weaker side

I certainly wouldn't be against giving him a new, slightly better passive of some sort that has a bit more of gameplay to it

vodrio121 votes

He needs a buff IMO. If you don't get fed in lane you will be pretty useless the rest of the game. His teamfight is not bad, but there are toplaners who do it much better. Same as splitpusher. Also the the toplane is full of bad matchups for wukong.... How can wu beat meta champions like renek or darius? It's sad man, but i prefer a wukong in the other team than in mine ):

LyingOnLine1 votes

Wukong doesn't need buffs; Wukong needs an ult that's not braindead OP and a kit that isn't faceroll.

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