Junglers: "lol hold our beers, now we will gank at LVL 2 BITCHES"
this meta is so fun rofl jungler doing red/blue--->gank mid or bot get a kill then scuttle (and you can't contest it since someone died) and get lvl 3
might lose a buff but lost nothing xp/gold wise and got his lane ahead
thank you riot game, this is a fun experience for us
LTK KoRo26 votesYeah so when junglers are supposed to gank then? You're acting like junglers shouldn't be allowed to enter lanes before idk, 10 minute or lvl 6, which is just stupid.
Sharpest glasses39 voteshe want to have some lane times maybe.
Cause most junglers atm will red > gank > scuttle
But during this gank the jungler is lv2, laners are lv1, just came on lane since 2-8 sec. When you have same level as 
he already hit you hard (can 100-0 u in few secs), just imagine when you're below.
A jungler main
JoeAnarchy25 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-01T08:43:49.476+0000)
Yeah so when junglers are supposed to gank then? You're acting like junglers shouldn't be allowed to enter lanes before idk, 10 minute or lvl 6, which is just stupid.
people just want time to have a laning phase.. junglers, by nature, deal more damage than laners early game anyway, let alone with the level 2 powerspike lead.. i'm all for barriers that keep junglers out of lanes until everyone on both teams are level 3.. barriers that even Kayn can't shadow walk through..
Shukr4n7 votesPut ward at 1:50 and let jungler waste time
JoeAnarchy7 votesPut ward at 1:50 and let jungler waste time
put ward at 1:50 and watch junglers dive you anyway even under turret.. because turret diving doesn't punish anymore..
LTK KoRo30 votesIf lvl 2 jungler is diving you then you misplayed horribly.
Best Ekko NA1 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-01T11:09:24.874+0000)
If lvl 2 jungler is diving you then you misplayed horribly.
What do you mean? Nunu can tower dive easily considering his Q heals like almost half his health bar at level 2.
LTK KoRo1 votesIf you're full hp and lvl 1 then even Nunu with full hp and lvl 2 can't dive you. If you lost like a 50% hp due to lvl 1 trading, then it's a misplay.
Also Nunu have no way to escape from the turret range outside of flash, so he usually dies with you when diving early
Best Ekko NA1 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-01T20:24:38.998+0000)
If you're full hp and lvl 1 then even Nunu with full hp and lvl 2 can't dive you. If you lost like a 50% hp due to lvl 1 trading, then it's a misplay.
Also Nunu have no way to escape from the turret range outside of flash, so he usually dies with you when diving early
All Nunu has to do is hold turret agro and let his laner kill your laner, I mean assuming his laner can kill yours 1v1 then diving at level 2 is easy. If his laner is pushing, he'll level up before the enemy so it's two level 2's vs a level 1 player with Nunu capable of holding tower agro without dying. It's not difficult at all. You seem to think Nunu has to walk up to the tower or something when he doesn't. All Nunu has to do is stand at the edge of tower range and hold agro, he eats a minion, then just walks away after the enemy laner is dead.
Z3Sleeper1 votesThis is assuming the laners are level 1 right? What laner can completely kill another laner at level 1 faster than a turret can shoot 3 times?
Best Ekko NA1 votesThis is assuming the laners are level 1 right? What laner can completely kill another laner at level 1 faster than a turret can shoot 3 times?
Maybe you should take some time, and just slowly re-read what I wrote. I'm pretty sure you can answer your own question without making me re-type it. Here let me quote it for you: "two level 2's vs a level 1 player". Did you find that sentence in there? Very good. Hopefully next time you will read someone's post before asking a question that was already answered in clear print for you to read.
Z3Sleeper1 votesMb let me reword that then.
What laner can completely kill another laner at level 2 faster than a turret can shoot 3 times?
Best Ekko NA1 votesMb let me reword that then.
What laner can completely kill another laner at level 2 faster than a turret can shoot 3 times?
Lol you think Nunu can't tank more than 3 tower hits? Dude I've played more than enough Nunu to know that he can take more than 3 towers hits at level 2 with his Q on a minion. Also if it's something like Teemo or Quinn, those are low health champions at level 1. Almost any bruiser is capable of all-in on them if they get into range, and would take them down easily at level 2 assuming the enemy was level 1. People cheese level 2 power spike in lane all the time, it's not anything new. I'm not sure how you think having a Jungler hold the tower would make it any different.
I am 121 votesNunu dies from 3 tower shots lvl 2 and just ignite him so he cant heal
Eons31 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-01T11:09:24.874+0000)
If lvl 2 jungler is diving you then you misplayed horribly.
Yea you shouldnt even make it to tower, you should of died in the jungle when you went to ward.
TheCodeisCupCake4 votesIssue is, if you play lane bullies, you effectively waste time till min 3 playing mind games with the enemy jungle wondering if he is still there but just out of vision. And as a lane bully your most impactful time is during the laning phase.
(duh)
BestPudgeNA5 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-01T08:43:49.476+0000)
Yeah so when junglers are supposed to gank then? You're acting like junglers shouldn't be allowed to enter lanes before idk, 10 minute or lvl 6, which is just stupid.
Junglers should'nt be allowed to gank ever. But Junglers getting 4 manned in river over a crab or invaded by 0/2 solo laner that is 2 levels above you at blue is fine Top laners making TP plays is fine Mid laners shoving and roaming is fine Supports making mid lane roams is also fine As a jungler you should know your role. Which is too pick a tank and stand infront of the ADC in teamfights. Outside of that you're just supposed to afk farm the jungle and place wards while winning ever smite fight.
Z3Sleeper3 votesMaybe after like 4 waves? Right now after the 2nd wave you can fully expect a gank to happen somewhere. Sometimes even after or during the first wave for the level 2 cheesers.
koshkyra2 votesThere's a big difference between 10:00 and 2:15.
HÔPÊ2 votesBut lvl 2 is just fkn absurd. Lvl 3 gank is considered too strong and now almost every champ can do that. The worst thing is that I don't even have to farm. I am running and killing people. Losing no hp on first gank bc lvl 2-3 ganks are broken.
LEEROY KLEDKINS10 votes
starts at red buff and pays a visit to the top lane/mid lane at 1:50.
Combine this with approach velocity. Pincer attack the enemy, Just right click, gain stupid move speed, flash at the end just in case, E, First blood in 2 minutes... Oh and in most cases your ally doesn't have to use a single attack.
And before any of you ask: Yes! Approach Velocity is op with Twitch's W.
Need Gold 4 Tent3 votes[{quoted}](name=OK Who fed Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-10-01T14:44:19.493+0000)
Combine this with approach velocity. Pincer attack the enemy, Just right click, gain stupid move speed, flash at the end just in case, E, First blood in 2 minutes... Oh and in most cases your ally doesn't have to use a single attack.
And before any of you ask: Yes! Approach Velocity is op with Twitch's W.
Or any AA jungler that starts red. Yi/Shyv suck at ganking? You'll think that until you get ganked by one with red buff mere seconds after you arrive to lane at level 1. I was on the receiving end, and it made me gain a whole new perspective on a champ I thought I knew as a main. Twitch is an interesting one though, I've gotta try that.
Dasdi961 votes[{quoted}](name=Need Gold 4 Tent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-10-02T06:11:48.480+0000)
Or any AA jungler that starts red. Yi/Shyv suck at ganking? You'll think that until you get ganked by one with red buff mere seconds after you arrive to lane at level 1. I was on the receiving end, and it made me gain a whole new perspective on a champ I thought I knew as a main. Twitch is an interesting one though, I've gotta try that.
Actually is way worse since he is ranged. You will need to be deep under your tower to escape him. This means you have to flash at level 1.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesActually
Tried it. The thing is, Twitch lacks the raw early dps that melee champs have with no items and as well as gap closing. That said, the stealth helps to get in position for a lot more autos, which evens it out, or possibly even better. It's so fucking easy to get first blood on this champ.
MLDzXnRRR2 votes[{quoted}](name=OK Who fed Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-10-01T14:44:19.493+0000)
Combine this with approach velocity. Pincer attack the enemy, Just right click, gain stupid move speed, flash at the end just in case, E, First blood in 2 minutes... Oh and in most cases your ally doesn't have to use a single attack.
And before any of you ask: Yes! Approach Velocity is op with Twitch's W.
Twitch barely survives jungle clear... and if he doesn't get a kill early (most decent players will sit behind early levels, if they see Shaco/Twitch/Lee/Elise/Xin), it's like 4v5... Seriously, Twitch jungle is garbage unless Twitch's team can stall until he gets farm/gold - and still not a free win.
SwiftKitten887 votesas a jungler.. i HATE not hitting lvl 3 off three camps.
scuttle was DESIGNED to be a camp that didnt attack you.. a camp that gave vision when you took and and one that HEALS you when u are taking it.
how the hell am i supposed to go "heal off scuttle" if its some stupid priority objective that i know my enemy is going to try to fight me over.
it went from somthing i go to when im at low hp to tray to heal to something i avoid when im at low hp.
that the EXACT OPPOSITE of its intended purpose.
its supposed be be somthing that gives healing and gives vision... not something that provides massive exp and is contested
Jenks34 votesRiven main detected.
notMineskiexo6 votesRiven main detected.
Pretty sure he’s an adc main
AirKingNeo2 votesa morde adc main
Oakleaf Ranger3 votesLOL you think junglers still aren't ganking at level 3?
You think that scuttle change to stop level 2 scuttle take have stopped me?
When I jungle I just go to the other side and scuttle spawns as I get there or a little before I do (depends on jungler) then gank or do other buff plus camp for 3.
I'm ganking at level 3 if I see an opportunity bitches.
I was ganking at level 3 before the jungle changes and I'm still doing it after.
Sharpest glasses9 votesHis point is jungler do first camp > gank > scuttle > rush lv3.
He's right.
mack91122 votesNo you don't understand the problem that previously existed. What would happen is the jungler would gank at lvl3 when the lane was still lvl2 creating a usually impossible situation for the person being ganked.
RekSai CoffeeCo5 votesNo you don't understand the problem that previously existed. What would happen is the jungler would gank at lvl3 when the lane was still lvl2 creating a usually impossible situation for the person being ganked.
So I am guessing you are ok being a hypocrite since most junglers are below solo laners for even longer periods of time now?
mack91123 votesif you jungle correctly its even man I am a jungle main. It was stupid before i just git lvlv 3 first and picked a lane to be ahead with a gank
BestPudgeNA3 votesif you jungle correctly its even man I am a jungle main. It was stupid before i just git lvlv 3 first and picked a lane to be ahead with a gank
Dude it's not even close Junglers are literally down a full level on avg till the 12 min of the game. I've legit had games as Udyr where i 3 buff double crab with the most CS in the game(hurray getting -10 gold per minion) and am 3/0 where after first back the ADC duo lane hits 5 while im still level 4. It's super easy for a jungler to fall down 2-3 levels compared to the solo laners early on. All it takes is getting 4 man roamed on in the river and dying.
mack91122 votesim plat 4 and have no problem maintaining level with my laners as jungler perhaps correct your jungle pathing.
BestPudgeNA2 votesim plat 4 and have no problem maintaining level with my laners as jungler perhaps correct your jungle pathing.
If you clearly all your camps as they spawn and get all the crabs and counter jungle some camps away you will still fall significantly behind your solo laners from 4-10.
Like i main Udyr and my CS per min avg is higher then the challenger avg and one tricks in the stats tab with higher KP%. So no really it has nothing to do with how i farm dude.
RekSai CoffeeCo1 votesim plat 4 and have no problem maintaining level with my laners as jungler perhaps correct your jungle pathing.
You should check out league of graphs replays from diamond and above (I suggest junglers with high kda you will find quite the majority of junglers are underlevel compared to solo laners. Let me guess it is because you have bad teammates?
So to back up your claim go to https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/mack9112
and hit record button so we all can see.
Dude it's not even close Junglers are literally down a full level on avg till the 12 min of the game. I've legit had games as Udyr where i 3 buff double crab with the most CS in the game(hurray getting -10 gold per minion) and am 3/0 where after first back the ADC duo lane hits 5 while im still level 4. It's super easy for a jungler to fall down 2-3 levels compared to the solo laners early on. All it takes is getting 4 man roamed on in the river and dying.
Exactly what I have been saying for quite a long time now and even in best junglers vs solo laners the cs is not equal for jungle to laners.
Sharpest glasses2 voteswhat's hypocrite here ???
Its legit to have solo laners having higher level than junglers.
They duel for most of early, meanwhile we play chess (assuming you have brain, if not you play dart).
RekSai CoffeeCo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sharpest glasses,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=000900000001,timestamp=2018-10-02T17:28:08.133+0000)
what's hypocrite here ???
Its legit to have solo laners having higher level than junglers.
They duel for most of early, meanwhile we play chess (assuming you have brain, if not you play dart).
So what you are saying is that is ok for laners to be higher than jungle but not ok for jungle to be higher than laners?
Sharpest glasses2 votesnot laners, SOLO laners.
And ofc its not okay for jng to be higher than laners (unless you're fed).
im a jungler main if you ask.
RekSai CoffeeCo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sharpest glasses,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WtPkoghk,comment-id=00090000000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-04T13:19:33.368+0000)
not laners, SOLO laners.
And ofc its not okay for jng to be higher than laners (unless you're fed).
im a jungler main if you ask.
Then it is also not ok for laners to be 2 levels over jungle at any time in game unless they are super fed.
Sharpest glasses1 votesyeah, two is too much
