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If i had to give my opinion on Orianna's kit

Best princess EU··29 votes·2,347 views

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So far there are only 2 things that i find too powerful compared to other mages tbh

shockwave cooldown : 110 / 95 / 80 Shockwave is a teamfight beast spell, the damage and the decent CC duration brings a classic strength to a mage. It can also be used to bring back an enemy, basically it's strong. But unlike other mages the cooldown is insanely low at rank 3 80 sec cd makes it feel in late game like orianna can miss an ult if someone flashed, but she can just wait (even better with cdr) for a minute to get it back.

Ziggs ultimate is as powerful, and yet has 120 sec cd at all ranks Viktor storm is similar with AOE damage and CC, but the cd is 120/110/100

protect shield duration: 4 seconds

Orianna as a mage should bring utility to her team. she can shield for SHIELD STRENGTH: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+ 40% AP) which is a lot since she can build AP the problem is that the shield duration allows her utility to remove her weakness as a mage

A mage should be weak in 1v1 against an assassin or a diver. Orianna is not the case, her W allows her to be safe against them while shielding herself constantly with E , it has 9 sec cd and lasts for 4 sec, this leaves her oppenents little opportunitis to fight her like Riven a long time ago, riot prevented her to shield herself constantly if she stacked CDR by nerfing her shield duration.

those 2 things are what i feel like things orianna has that makes her stronger than an average mage Shield duration and Ult cd makes her too much forgiving to play and leaves little window of opportunities to her enemies

47 Comments

SB Arneeman20 votes

She's only powerful because the other mids were nerfed. Viktor used to outshine her but he's been overnerfed.

Cosmic Warper4 votes

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She's only powerful because the other mids were nerfed. Viktor used to outshine her but he's been overnerfed.

Yeah viktor's been left in the dumpster after his E was balanced around rylai's, and then they nerf rylai's and don't buff his E back. His E is nearly impossible to land after the rylai's nerf and as a result his mid and lategame presence is mediocre.

A Superb Villain1 votes

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Yeah viktor's been left in the dumpster after his E was balanced around rylai's, and then they nerf rylai's and don't buff his E back.

This is pretty much Riot's MO; says balancing champions around items is bad, does exactly that.

SweedishGunner6 votes

His mid and late game presence is way better than his early still.

He's not been left in the dumpster, he just requires a lot of teamwork to get all his damage down.

Cosmic Warper2 votes

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His mid and late game presence is way better than his early still,

He's not been left in the dumpster, he just requires a lot of teamwork to get all his damage down.

A champion that requires his team for his core abilities to be effective does not indicate that a champion is anywhere near good lol. No other mage that i can think of needs another teammate's cc to actually land their abilities.

SweedishGunner4 votes

He does have his own CC with Gravity Field though. It's sometimes hard to use but it sets up well for his abilities.

It's just he works best when co-ordinating well with teammates.

Cosmic Warper1 votes

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He does have his own CC with Gravity Field though. It's sometimes hard to use but it sets up well for his abilities.

It's just he works best when co-ordinating well with teammates.

The problem is that gravity field wont be effective on its own most of the time as the enemy can just walk out of it. It's a potentially very strong ability, but having his W, E, and R all rely on another champion's cc to be able to get the full 100-0 combo off is frustrating. I don't think W or his ult need buffs, but I do think his E delay could go down a bit.

Dream High1 votes

Like a month ago this comment would be interchangeable with Ahri.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER7 votes

Haven't checked the boards in a week, what did I miss? Wasn't Orianna considered the most balanced champion?

Best princess EU5 votes

i thought so, but then a lot of "orianna needs a nerf" threads appeared recently

so i just tried to search what was more powerful with her than other mages

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

Interesting

Cowseed1 votes

So if you do manage to find something that you deem very strong but the boards takes a u-turn with the threads and say she's balanced or the posts just dissappear because of some other champ what will be your opinion then?

Not asking with any agression or anything I am just very interested in finding the reasoning behind alot of the nerf requests or just general fanfare about balance.

Best princess EU1 votes

my opinion will never count on wether ori is overpowered or not most of mains believe that their main is balanced, and so do i. However if Riot were to nerf Ori then i can't do anything

which is why i did this thread, just to state some places in her kit where she would be stronger than other mages

Cowseed1 votes

I can respect that. Thanks for the insite

KoKoboto2 votes

She was never considered balance. On Orianna mains said that.

Fed by Snu Snu6 votes

Let's not forget the bonus resistances on the shield as well.

It's the only shield that self reinforces itself on top of scaling.

It's quite a lot of what someone could call "hidden power" to be honest. Something that Riot has often used as an excuse to nerf other champions in the past.

MrGerund2 votes

i straight up dont like the fact the hitboxes are huge.. if she hit q she hits her w, then you're slowed and she can proc the thunderlords with 1 auto which has bonus ap damage...

the ult is only missable if the orianna plays really bad.

trying to outplay her is because of those reasons very diificult even if you play it out very well.

its not that i hate her... its more like my solid pick in ranked is lissandra with whom i can easily outplay people with, besides ori.

Votable Jester6 votes

If she hits you with her Q, the ball is practically on top of you. How small do you want the W hitbox to be?

The ult is extremely telegraphed, either being placed on an ally or flying somewhere slower than a Morgana Q and then being slightly delayed even on cast, allowing the enemy to flash or dash it if they are still in range.

LKV22 votes

+20/+10/+0 second increase on R and shield value decreased seems a good start. Nerf her earlygame and leave her strong in late game (where she's supposed to be strong).

ACENOX1 votes

0 sec? her ult is the only ult that has 80 sec cd at rank 3

if anything it needs to be like viktor

Best princess EU1 votes

If Orianna is supposed to be a late game champion, then i guess you can do that

LKV21 votes

An ulti lategame can set a triple or more and win a game, especially with a diver (with a diver is also super easy to use cause u can't miss it). She's also super strong at contesting baron always cause of her ult. So yeah, she hould be a mid/late game champ.

SweedishGunner2 votes

Yet she's considered a premier lane bully.

SweedishGunner2 votes

One correction; Viktor ult has no CC.

Leetri1 votes

It disrupts channels, but yeah I don't think that counts as CC. Situational soft CC at the very best.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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One correction; Viktor ult has no CC.

His W is a ...draw in and stun and E has a slow.

Both those count for CC.

SweedishGunner1 votes

His E doesn't have a slow (where are you getting that from?) and his W is his only CC but it's not his ult.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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His E doesn't have a slow (where are you getting that from?) and his W is his only CC but it's not his ult.

ah my bad, used to play mid during the time viktor was very popular and they always went rylai and i somehow gained the impression that he had a slow on his E because that's the first thing i noticed when one would go all in.

And i actually misread your post i think, i read it as "viktor has no CC". woops.

Votable Jester2 votes

There is a massive difference between Orianna's shield and Riven's shield.

Riven's shield is instantaneous. Orianna's shield is delayed until the ball reaches the target.

This means that Riven can use her shield reactive to enemy attacks mid-flight whereas Orianna's shield is basically used to hold off further aggression. If you then nerfed Ori's shield duration, it would still not be able to reasonably use reactively, and because of how telegraphed it is, the enemies could easily hold their cooldowns for the duration of the ability, effectively putting Ori with one less ability.

Best princess EU1 votes

the delay depends on where the ball is, if the ball is one thousand miles away then yes it's going to take time if you're fighting an assassin and your Q is not far away it's going to almost instantly shielding you

and you know, the shield is still applied even if the ball leaves you right? just making sure you know this because it means you can shield yourself for 4 seconds, and then press Q to attack offensively while being shielded for a long duration, and then shield yourself again because it has 9 base cd and ori has 40% or 45% cdr

woodvsmurph2 votes

Brand Ekko Lissandra Malzahar Syndra Swain Veigar Yasuo Zed : miss an ult? How?

Vladimir Ryze : skillshots? how antiquated

Fizz : cooldowns? what are those?

yes clearly orianna has an unfair advantage vs other mids lol

AcidTheWarlock2 votes

Ryze has no damage if he misses a Q, and W doesn't last long enough to 100-0 anyone. He's not a burst mage.

woodvsmurph1 votes

in laning, he farms and deals damage to enemy at same time. He has a spammable root - spammable everything actually. hardly requiring more skill than an orianna whose q is extremely slow. And ryze uses ROTATIONS of spells - one w isn't enough, but the movespeed and shield you can get ensure you can land another combo and another - barring enemy cc - which btw means there IS still at least one enemy in range for you to blow up. So... i don't quite see your point

Yaśuo Main4 votes

His W has a big CD.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Yes, I'm sure it is HUGE (Donald Trump voice) cooldown compared to "broken" orianna ult.[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Cowseed2 votes

I don't know why this post is being bombed but looking at the list their are quite a few mid laners which have quicker and more accurate (point and click) abilities than oriana which can give quite the advantage to work around.

aqours fanboy1 votes

But she's not busted.

Early game (basically w/o double dorans or a lost chapter), her mana usage is off the charts, so it's very easy to get her in a predicament if you are pressuring her at the right times (Harassing in the ~1 second window when she throws the ball, forcing her to use her kit to protect herself, all that nonsense.) Ori is only "busted" to players when they are harassed by the ball, or when they bunch together and get ulted. I think she is a strong champion, no doubt, but she is also fair. If you let her have her way early, then of course the lane will give you trouble. She is a mage like all the others. Get her in mana troubles early, force backs, get a CS lead, play it smart, and the lane (and hopefully the game) is winnable. All about learning the matchup through trial and error :D

Khadaver1 votes

Hey, i'm a fellow sanji fanboy https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/70/a1/bc/70a1bc4e4bc4c9d0dc960d2f3a246b77.gif

Khadaver1 votes

Sanji is the best strawhat

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I disagree, the problems are the low mana cost, especially early game and the fuckton of CDR and mana you can get which benefits her more than any other champion in the game. Also all the assassins are fucking trash so that also helps. Nerf morello, remove needless CDR, revert the Q buffs that lowered its mana cost to pathetic values early game, add cdr to shockwave 20/10/0 and maybe lower the shield strenght on other targets but not herself. If you weaken her shield she will get even more fucked by divers who she cant deal with unless she spends shockwave to defend herself in which case her team gets fucked. YOu cant possibly compare her E and W to a chase potentional of a Riven or Fiora or Jax or Trynd, dont forget her range IS LOW, MEDIUM AT BEST, she HAS to get close to ult someone, unless of course you want her to be glorified postman that delivers her ulti on the back of Malphite or Rengar or some shit which certanly isnt fun for me as an Ori main, there is nothing more satisfying than landing 5 man shockwave late game and 1 shotting everyone as your teams full burst clusterfucks the poor enemy team.

Orianna main since season 1.

Clementine1 votes

Nerf her damage, keep/buff her utility

Veltox1 votes

Another Mage 'support'?

http://i.imgur.com/tcd8JTR.gif

Emerald Fang1 votes

Disagree with the second part. Nobody maxes their E last; 240 damage is child's play if an assassin or mage is in your face. Even with 500 AP, 480 shield is sizeable, but not insane. MAYBE you would bring down the flat shield to 60/90/120/150/180 or so but don't touch the 40% AP.

Kind of agree about the ultimate but not that much; Ziggs has a global ult. Viktor's is not similar because it moves with the target. Ori relies on her ball position almost entirely to get off the ult. Considering she will miss it more than a Viktor who can point-and-click drop his ult on someone, she should have a lower CD since she should be punished less for missing.

I think 110/100/90 would be a decent nerf, considering with 40% CDR that's 66/60/54 seconds (acceptable for an ult like this).

Best princess EU1 votes

ziggs ult isn't global Viktor ult is point and click but requieres you to not move to do all the damage, i don't think it's a big reason to make it having more cd than orianna

Beside, even if the shield is maxed last it doesn't mean it's going to be useless, else you wouldn't even put a point in it and it still gives 10 armor/mr and deals damage

DonatellaVersace1 votes

Her mobility can make up for her abilities. The only mobility she has is flash. She is also very mana hungry early game. The time to act against her is in early game, instead of waiting mid when she can nuke you. Miss that early game...well...don't know what to tell you...not trying to put the blame on whoever may be reading I'm just going off of what Riot has said.

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

Remember when her scaling was considered bad because there were other mages that still had multiple 1.0 AP ratios on their nukes? Ah, the days.

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