Are Lulu Mains okay with Lulu being permabanned?

Ahristocats·Mar 25, 2017·5 votes·2,350 views

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don't you wish to be able to play your main=?

i don't get it, if one of my main would be so much banned i would immediatly ask riot to nerf them so i can be able to play them. Which is why i agree that Tank shaco should be nerfed (though not being turned into an ap assassin)

so why are you refusing nerfs? it doesn't change anything to us, we keep her banned, we won't face her so who cares? if you don't want to play you champ then fine

30 Comments

dunder killMar 25, 20176 votes

Don't even bother. Not worth the effort tbh. If any other champion hits a 20%+ play rate with a 52%+ WR the boards form a lynch mob to destroy them. Jhin, Lucian, Cait, Vayne, even Lee with a 50% winrate, etc are "OMG BROKEN OP! GENERALIST! NERRRRFFFFFFFFFF THEEEEEMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

HOWEVER, when discussing mages and supports on the boards, they are completely immune.

Ahri highest pick rate mid laner with a 53% win rate? Completely fine.

Lulu 25%-30% pick rate with 52% win rate? Absolutely no problems here

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMar 25, 20171 votes

better nerf varus again

AhristocatsMar 25, 20173 votes

Thing is THEY DON'T EVEN GIVE YOU A GOOD ARGUMENT, they just tell you "she's fine", or "she's in a good meta"

Nami is in the exact same meta why isn't she having 52% win rate 30% pick rate 42% ban rate? oh right, i forgot that Nami can't bully the shit out of you as an adc

Big LincolnMar 25, 20175 votes

"she's in a good meta"

Darius was in a good meta, similar winrate thanks to tank meta top, like 12%? play rate, boards demanded nerf for ages

Lulu picked even more often and winning more often, completely fine

hmm, interesting

EedatMar 25, 20171 votes

I even main a champion ( MonkeyKing ) that gets absolutely fucking destroyed in lane ezpz by Darius and I don't have a problem with him.

How to lane against Darius:

bait out his Q at level 2 to auto-shove the wave to you
farm under tower the best you can

A) wait for jungle assistance since he will constantly be pushed to your tower any time he wants to use his Q
B) Use your TP to make plays around the map
C) Suck it up and deal with it because as long as you don't feed him, he's pretty shit when teams start grouping

TADA!

Risk of FateMar 25, 20171 votes

I give good arguments about Ahri, the response I usually get is people ignore it and tell me how the such and such gives the tiniest advantage and thus makes her overpowered or that I'm trolling.

Here, I'll show you right here: Ahri is fine from my point of view. While I could see that she might need some nerfs and that she's highly mobile, her short ranges and damages compared to other mages such as Orianna, Lux, or even LeBlanc give her the tools to safely lane against them. In addition, she has higher mana costs than many of the mages to prevent her from spamming.

In fact, I would say from personal experience that the changes to Meditation caused an indirect nerf to her as I cannot lane as long as I have before against champions such as Yasuo or Zed. Before I would have the mana to sustain, I now find myself backing at least slightly more than average and have changed my playstyle to compensate without needing a reliance on mana regen runes.

AhristocatsMar 25, 20171 votes

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I give good arguments about Ahri

i wasn't talking about ahri, i was talking about lulu i'm neutral on ahri, i don't main ahri but everytime the ahri with me oneshot the enemies, while if ahri is against me i have no problems against her as an adc as long as my support/my frontline is with me

Risk of FateMar 25, 20171 votes

Only thing I can say about Lulu is that her shields are about on par with any tank with Locket, meaning Leona, Thresh (who has infinite scaling and thus has the biggest shield), and Taric. Better disengages include Janna, Soraka, Braum and Nami, with the fishy support being able to re-engage off of that.

Taking into consideration of other "Supports" (only going to include the common ones that have appeared as support for the past 3+ seasons which means Malz and MF support can take a hike), Lux can peel an poke, Annie has a burst, and Zyra has lane domination. Lulu has good numbers, there are at least six or seven that can do just as much and provide even more than she can. Her mana pool is low-ish, but that I could be wrong about as I find a lot of traditional supports have heavy mana issues apart from Soraka who seems to never run out.

PennsMar 25, 20171 votes

I mean I agree but Id still like a Lee nerf xd

dunder killMar 25, 20171 votes

I would much rather play against Lee than Graves Shaco Ivern

PennsMar 25, 20171 votes

Well.. Id like a nerf for all of those too but at least they arent picked in like every second game and have more counterplay than "hope Lee misses his Q after ulting you lol.

ShadòwMar 25, 20171 votes

don't forget Janna .

Dominick DestineMar 25, 20172 votes

Statistics do not indicate Lulu is "permabanned". You were a member of Diamond Pride.

You should know this.

http://champion.gg/champion/Lulu/Support

AhristocatsMar 25, 20171 votes

lolking leagueofgraph shows that she has 42% ban rate in diamond+

op.gg shows that she has 30% ban rate on all elo since 1 day

and you show me champ.gg and meddler said that it's trash lmao

Dominick DestineMar 25, 20172 votes

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lolking leagueofgraph shows that she has 42% ban rate in diamond+

op.gg shows that she has 30% ban rate on all elo since 1 day

Even if we take your premise as true, that's still not permaban levels.

What was Kassadin's ban rate? over 90%? that's permaban, not 30-40%.

AhristocatsMar 25, 20171 votes

because i'm not playing in diamond friend that's why,

but everyday lulu's ban rate is increased by 4%, it's only a matter of time until every low diamond players ban her

Rusty OwlMar 25, 20171 votes

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lolking leagueofgraph shows that she has 42% ban rate in diamond+

op.gg shows that she has 30% ban rate on all elo since 1 day

and you show me champ.gg and meddler said that it's trash lmao

Diamond and everything above represents 2-3% of the playerbase your problems doesn't always affect the other 92%(I've included plat players just for you) In gold she is at 5% ban rate and honestly I prefer playing against her than mage support.

AhristocatsMar 25, 20171 votes

she doesn't have 5% ban rate, champ.gg is fcking retarded, she has 15% ban rate in gold and above

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lulu/platinum

25% ban rate in plat+, with still 52% win rate and 27% pick rate, and i remind you that riot balances around plat and above no matter if you like it or not

diamond players just happen to be more clever to ban her more, and master tier players permaban her

Rusty OwlMar 25, 20172 votes

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she doesn't have 5% ban rate, champ.gg is fcking retarded, she has 15% ban rate in gold and above

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lulu/platinum

25% ban rate in plat+, with still 52% win rate and 27% pick rate, and i remind you that riot balances around plat and above no matter if you like it or not

diamond players just happen to be more clever to ban her more, and master tier players permaban her

Still why should Riot balance everything around 7-8% of their playerbase? Oh ya for the LCS that we all so happen to only actually watch when worlds come out... But hey I'm but a scub Gold player why would my opinion even matter to you

Perma CCMar 25, 20172 votes

Literally if you're bitching about lulu you're probably someone abusing lethality or some other braindead champion that one shots people. Lulu counters the aids that is the assassin update. Stop crying because she isn't op, try playing some new champions that dont rely on burst damage because she completely counters it. You think she is op, just you wait for the Liss update because im spamming that bitch because fuck assassins.

AhristocatsMar 25, 20171 votes