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This may not be the WORST preseason but it's most certainly the most irritating

Trash MammaI··39 votes·2,532 views

Tank selection has been shot down to 5 tanks. Rammus, Shen, Ornn, Maokai, Sejuani.

Top lane went from the lane of tanks/bruisers/fighters etc. to which person is evil enough to pick a ranged champ

Aside from Leona abusing Aftershock none of the tank supports are usable, as if there were a lot anyway.

Marksman either pick an early game champ who will make laning near impossible to tolerate or if they pick a late game champ they're completely useless until about 3-4 items where they start 3 hitting people and being retardedly difficult to shut down.

Zoe was created

Mid lane is just a shitstorm of skillshots since mana apparently doesnt even exist anymore.

Rift herald, once again became pointless to take because towers fall faster than the krug camp now anyway.

Snowballing is back to Riven level. Once you get ahead it takes a massive amount of screwing up to get behind.

Certain runes have champs abusing them to the point that it's unfair. EX: Leona/Ornn/Maokai etc. with aftershock Ezreal/GP with kelptomancy Any DoT based champ with Aery sending that lil shit flying after you every second. Not to mention sheild based champs getting new life bars cause of it. Considering aery's CD isn't long since it just has to return to you and CDR being easier to get than dirt you have people like karma shielding half an hp bar at level 4

It's def not as bad as the 1 shot everything preseason before this one, but it's most certainly the most infuriating preseason ever. The game is basically who can pick the most irritating and annoying team comp to deal with wins. The amount of games i've been in that end at 15 minutes is ridiculous and they don't end because it's a lost game. They end because nobody wants to deal with the enemy team annoying you

70 Comments

Blåbæret22 votes

Lol, it's the worst by a longshot. It's not about individual champs being broken as it was previously, it's about the entire balance of the game having been ruined by riot's balance team.

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

Well a selected quarter of the roster is completely overpowered and the rest can go eat dirt. coincidentally (not) it's the same quarter as last season who would've thought. Riot keeps hammering down those who shall not belong in the riot approved meta list and the rest get slight tweaks with riot hoping noone notices.

feeding time11 votes

Tank selection has been shot down to 4 tanks. Rammus, Shen, Ornn, Maokai, Sejuani.

Well, I had planned on taking you seriously, but the first line ruined that.

[sg-kiko]

MrHaZeYo3 votes

Lol that's what I was just thinking.

Trash MammaI5 votes

The only people who think tanks are busted right now aside from those 5* (misclicked 4) are either unranked or have never left bronze 5.

Every other tank in the game gets trashed in 3-4 hits

Shnauz6 votes

There are twenty different "Tank" Champions in League. Lets take a walk.

Aggressive Tank: Alistar Amumu Gnar Gragas Leona Malphite Maokai Nautilus Ornn Rammus Sejuani Sion Zac

Defensive Tank: Braum Galio Nunu Poppy Shen Tahm Kench Apparently Taric is a tank too. huh. TiL

You're saying none of the 15 listed champs can ever be played? It's impossible?

I have this strange quote I just randomly found regarding Tahm Kench being bad in the Toplane:

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He's not though? He's actually really good right now considering MOST tanks are absolute ass currently. Before anybody comes to bite my head off. Maokai, Shen, Ornn, and Leona are about the only tanks currently strong atm. Maokai and Leona have been this way for AGES, Shen and Ornn are fine they just need small tweaks to lower their damage now to compensate for armor/mr runes being gone.

Tahm is in a decent spot in the top lane. In bot lane not so much but that's because supports are pretty much only poke related ones, as damage creep in this game is massive right now so you just get bullied before you can do anything (aside from again leona cause she abuses aftershock with W)

Unfortunate.

Trash MammaI6 votes

You're saying none of the 15 listed champs can ever be played? It's impossible?

Taking it FAR too literal. In a competitive sense (when the ranked season starts assuming things are the same as now) the only tanks worth playing are the ones listed. Using Tahm as the example, he's decent. Due to his E basically reseting his hp bar he can live longer than the average tank currently. There are still better picks that CAN and WILL beat him/outscale him.

I wasn't calling other tanks bad in the sense that "hey you can't pick them anymore" I was saying they're bad in the sense that for TANKS they can't TANK anything and won't achieve anything.

why pick tahm when I can pick ornn and do more damage and be tankier? Why pick Sion when I can pick maokai and be unkillable (something fucking sion is suppose to be) while still outdamaging some carries?

Shnauz3 votes

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Tank selection has been shot down to 5 tanks. Rammus, Shen, Ornn, Maokai, Sejuani.

tfw Taking it "FAR too literal" LOL

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In a competitive sense (when the ranked season starts assuming things are the same as now) the only tanks worth playing are the ones listed. Using Tahm as the example, he's decent. Due to his E basically reseting his hp bar he can live longer than the average tank currently. There are still better picks that CAN and WILL beat him/outscale him.

Bud, you're gold...2? 1? I can't tell. I don't care. Chill with the "Ranked is ruined rhetoric.

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I wasn't calling other tanks bad in the sense that "hey you can't pick them anymore" I was saying they're bad in the sense that for TANKS they can't TANK anything and won't achieve anything.

Also incorrect, but give me an example.

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why pick tahm when I can pick ornn and do more damage and be tankier? Why pick Sion when I can pick maokai and be unkillable (something fucking sion is suppose to be) while still outdamaging some carries?

Ornn is absolutely broken right now. That's 1 ban, move on. Maokai is absolutely not unkillable. Buy Bramble vest If you're a tank, or Executioners if you're a Fighter. Bully him away from cs, now he cant heal. You're low elo and it shows in this post and in this writing. Learn to play the game before you start bitching about it.

Z3Sleeper4 votes

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You're low elo and it shows in this post and in this writing. Learn to play the game before you start bitching about it.

Holy what

Shnauz3 votes

Holy hypodermics, Batman!

Z3Sleeper3 votes

I just googled Robin quotes and found the emporium of Robin "Holy x" quotes. lmao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exclamations_by_Robin

Shnauz2 votes

Not gonna lie, I totally googled it to choose one. Holy Contributing to the Delinquency of Minors was runner up.

Trash MammaI6 votes

tfw Taking it "FAR too literal" LOL

You were/are

Bud, you're gold...2? 1? I can't tell. I don't care. Chill with the "Ranked is ruined rhetoric.

Lower, actually. I get to gold 5 then stop playing ranked till the next season. Whether or not I can get higher, I wouldn't know as I've never tried.

Also incorrect, but give me an example.

I can play nunu, but is he worth playing? No. Same goes for basically any other tank that isn't listed. Why pick sion over any of them?

Ornn is absolutely broken right now. That's 1 ban, move on. Maokai is absolutely not unkillable. Buy Bramble vest If you're a tank, or Executioners if you're a Fighter. Bully him away from cs, now he cant heal.

True.

Again, taking it FAR too literal. Ofc he's not unkillable it's an expression saying he's too fucking hard to kill while doing too much freaking damage

That's a stupid item to rush vs maokai. All that needs to be said, before you say "well dont rush it just get it later" by then laning phase is over because towers fall after the 2nd back

YOU clearly know nothing about the state of the game and that shows

Shnauz3 votes

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Trash MammaI4 votes

I'm not reading all this as I don't care what some angry kid on the internet has to say. I did glance over it though and it's pretty obvious you don't know the definition of the word expression nor do you understand anything at all about the state of the game. You either have not played in awhile and just sit on the boards like you still know what's going on or you are one of those people who play for memes or haven't left bronze 5.

I could sit here doing as you did and typing a short story on all the wrong you've most likely said in your post but as I won't stoop down to the level of stupid you have I'll just ignore you from this point on

Shnauz1 votes

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Kaìju3 votes

The fact that you bring a sexual context to it as if you're getting tons of sex makes it really pathetic. If you had any decent argument you wouldn't be referring to someone as a woman that you can just use for pleasure. You have no decency. I'd rather have him than you in the community.

Shnauz2 votes

I respect your opinion. The sexual language is crass and ugly, but if/when you get into a debate that devolves into the other party running away and refusing to acknowledge any points, maybe you will understand why I chose to go this route. Maybe you won't. No harm no foul. Sorry if you didn't fall in love with my language. Have a great day.

Kaìju1 votes

"I can see you sit down when you pee" or whatever you wrote on a other comment, that's horseshit. You are acting like a child to just devolve into sexism to make fun of others. This isn't about you mocking others, you're likening them to women in a negative way. You're sexist, you pig. The fact that you wanna make fun of others and feel so high and mighty yet act and talk like that isn't fine. You're not crass, you're just a dumpster of words. Don't ever say that shit again.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

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Regulus Black3 votes

You could have said in a more gentle way

Shnauz1 votes

Absolutely correct. I ackowledge I can get carried away, but the fact that he continued to deny the fact that his point was moot and attempted to undermine my points by refusing to read them, then concluding by calling me "bronze 5" warranted a climax more fitting of the _effort, he himself, _ put into this debate. I apologize if the language upset you, or anyone else; wasn't my intention.

Regulus Black2 votes

Apology accepted. Really enjoyed myself with this whole wall of text here. Thank you for that. [sg-miss-fortune]

hoyohai3 votes

Does being in bronze 5 matter? When did rank start correlating with intelligence?

Shnauz2 votes

Great question, I totally get you. Rank is a representation of one's:

A) Luck B) Mechanical skill C) Game knowledge when compared to everyone else on the ladder.

Absolutely IQ =/= rank, but the ability for one to absorb game knowledge and master difficult timings and mechanics directly correlate to placement.

hoyohai4 votes

Thanks.

Wait a minute, you were the person who started it. WEREN'T YOU?!?!

Shnauz2 votes

Get me outta here bois summoner 4 summoner 7

hoyohai3 votes

{quoted}

Get me outta here bois summoner 4 summoner 7summoner 6

There. Fixed it.

WAIT A MINUTE I JUST HELPED YOU ESCAPE

Shnauz2 votes

summoner 12 You summoner 12 saw summoner 12 nothing summoner 12

hoyohai1 votes

{quoted}

summoner 12 You summoner 12 saw summoner 12 nothing summoner 12

Uh, no I didn't. I can't find nothing anywhere

hoyohai4 votes

12 year old people act like that? Every 12 year old I've seen constructively criticises pretty well. Is this a new thing?

Shnauz2 votes

I'm sure there are a bunch of well-adjusted, intelligent twelve year olds that understand the importance of saying what they mean instead of spouting whatever thought pops into their head. The lack of a fully developed brain and penchant for not considering the repercussions of their actions leads me to believe a large majority do not have this skill mastered. Pardon the generalization.

hoyohai3 votes

Ok thanks. I was just wondering where this generalization came from.

Regulus Black1 votes

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YOU clearly know nothing about the state of the game and that shows

He didn't say that [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

hoyohai2 votes

Who said rank correlates with intelligence? Who started it? WAS IT YOU!?!!?!!?

Durzaka1 votes

Oh the ones you listed, ignoring supports, exactly 2 of the ones (not counting the 5 listed in the OP) have a 50% win rate (or better).

So yeah, they are not doing very good right now.

Shnauz3 votes

I respect your opinion. While winrates absolutely give us a glimpse of a champions skill ceiling, skill floor, and synergy with other popular champions, winrates are not indicative of a champions pure gameplay effectiveness. You know this, I know this, everyone should know this. Ask yourself if these champions are played by mains in Korean Solo queue. The answer is yes, because everything is actually viable when actual thought is implemented.

Durzaka2 votes

Literally any champion can be mained at any level of play, regardless of how balanced or effective they are.

Just because mains exist does not mean the champion is effective or in a good place.

Shnauz1 votes

The fact that they can be played (and create advantages for their team) at the highest level literally means they are "effective". haha

"In a good place" is completely subjective. What do you personally think "being in a a good place" means for a champion?

Durzaka2 votes

The absolute worst champions in leagues history at any given point has still had mains that would win more than 50% of their games.

Guess what? Those champions still didnt stay at way.

You can't balance for the minuscule amount of people devoting 100+ hours to a single champion to make them work.

Shnauz1 votes

You absolutely can balance for the "miniscule people devoting 100+ hours to a single champion to make them work."

a) 100+ hours is absolute hyperbole. mastering a champion is a continual affair involving the ranges, cooldowns, and damages of every other champion's abilities against your own, along with the most effective items for each situation. The fact that the game constantly patches means that this affair is almost impossible.

b) If you want an easy champion, good in most situations, we have that. Play Caitlyn. Play Garen. Play Sona. Play Nunu. Play Karma Mid. You're still going to have to practice continually if you want to make any meaningful progress.

Balance is done when a champion has too much power in too many areas, not to purely increase the counterplay.

Quick Edit: I tried to find the lowest winrate champion in your elo (Gold 5) to see if your point held any merit.

While the absolute lowest is_ Ivern_ support (Why the fuck are you playing Ivern support?), the lowest champion in it's correct role is ryze mid with a 43.15% winrate. This is absolutely understandable with Ryze's steep skill ceiling and deep learning curve. The ryze player practices more and he becomes a better player because of it.

Compare that with Lowest Winrate in Korean Master+? Annie. Warwick. Volibear. Wukong. Master Yi. All winrates <26%. (http://www.lolking.net/charts#/Lowest%20Winrate%20Champions)

Champions can be better or worse at certain elos. its a fact. its reality. That doesn't mean they aren't "In a good place". It means people get better at predicting their strengths and undermining their weaknesses. Have a great day.

Durzaka2 votes

Too much or too little. Both of those are reasons to balance.

We are talking about too little right now.

If something is sitting at 45% win rate, something is fucking wrong and it needs to be addressed. it doesnt matter if mains still can squeak by with a 50% win rate.

Shnauz1 votes

No we're talking about Ornn and Maokai having too MUCH power. I can rip your asshole open with my Nautilus, and you'll take it without a whimper. OP in this case is bitching about literally everything his gold 5 brain is encountering in ARAMs. If something is sitting at a 45% winrate in your elo, it's probably for a reason you haven't figured out yet.

Lastly, you can't "squeak by" with a 50% winrate. you lose more lp than you gain. Try again.

Durzaka2 votes

Maybe you need to understand the conversation youre respond to, asshole.

I specficially replied to your post listing tanks that you said are viable. And shot you the fuck down by showing you they clearly are NOT doing very well.

And now you try and turn this into other champions are OP, which has nothing to do with anything ive said.

Lastly, the 45% win rate isnt in my elo, its at the top level of play you asshole.

Snowplosion1 votes

The fact that you missed Malphite makes me thing you struggle to tie your shoes without help.

Pierce The Veal5 votes

Preseason 4 was worse,

(I do find it funny how you say 4 tanks then list 5 though lmao).

Anyway. This is by far the best preseason I've played since preseason 2 and 3. The only thing that fucking sucks at the moment is Riot going all EA on us with this lootboxes to progress shit.

Trash MammaI4 votes

Fixed it. Slip of the finger and yea this previous preseasons were worse in the aspect that shit was just all over the place. This preseason just makes me want to tear my hair out

Firethorn5 votes

Aside from Leona abusing Aftershock none of the tank supports are usable, as if there were a lot anyway.

Kind of disagree with this one...

Alistar is quite good right now. Blitz and Taric are pretty good. Braum is decent. Tahm Kench and Naut are pretty situational, but they aren't too bad.

Currently MUCH more tank supports are viable compared to the ardent meta or the poke mage meta (zyra, malz)

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