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Riot, can you actually learn from your OWN balance?

DropFill··3 votes·827 views

I remember when riot nerfed lulu. You remember why? Because she was making melee's life at top lane a fucking nightmare. She was able to poke hard, AA + her passive had good damage, and she could make you useless with her W. But after nerfing her and making her USELESS as a viable support pick, riot releases gnar. Gnar can poke hard with his Q ( like lulu ). Make you useless with his W health damage + MS, so you will NEVER reach him. And even if you do, he presses E. And I am only talking about his ranged form. People always say " stay away from him when he is about to transform ". What a GREAT counterplay. So I just need to wait him come back to ranged form so I basically stay away or I will eat tons of AA that deals maximum health damage ( WITH MAGIC DAMAGE! ) and eat that BS boomerang that has nearly to no CD after rank 3. He can buy only one offensive item and then just shit on every single top laner because of his stupid stats that his passive gives to him.

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Elahrairah52 votes

No one thinks Gnar is anything comparable to Lulu. He has no CC outside of his melee form, and low health. His jump is pretty wimpy without minions to bounce on just gank when there is not a wave of minions between him and tower. He is not untargetable while jumping so CC can still shut him down. people like voli can just flip him back when he gets hopped on.

DropFill1 votes

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No one thinks Gnar is anything comparable to Lulu. He has no CC outside of his melee form, and low health. His jump is pretty wimpy without minions to bounce on just gank when there is not a wave of minions between him and tower. He is not untargetable while jumping so CC can still shut him down. people like voli can just flip him back when he gets hopped on.

And voli loses hard to gnar.

Jamaree1 votes

I thought they nerfed her because of her obscene CC at all times, source please?

SmokingPuffin1 votes

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I thought they nerfed her because of her obscene CC at all times, source please?

They've never mentioned Lulu's CC as a problem. They initially nerfed Lulu primarily because EQQ combo was absolutely impossible to deal with.

"We actually like mid Lulu, but want to make sure that the reasons for choosing her weren't due to her low-interaction (and high-obnoxiousness) lane harass pattern where she can get instant damage with Help, Pix! before following it up with two high-powered guaranteed Glitterlances." http://lol.gamepedia.com/V4.5

"We initially thought solo lane Lulu was a unique addition to the game, so we wanted to let her stay a viable pick in both solo and duo lanes. That said, top lane Lulu is currently shutting down a lot of diversity in competitive play and, because Lulu's solo lane and support power are tied so closely together, we had to go for changes that reduce her oppressive strengths first. As an aside, we know this isn't a great situation where we keep indirectly reducing support Lulu's power to maintain her viability as a mage, so this is something we'll have to really consider for the future." http://lol.gamepedia.com/V4.13

I am pretty annoyed about the bolded. Just how long were Riot planning to think about support Lulu before doing something about it?

In any case, their reasoning in 4.13 turned out to be flawed. They believed that Lulu was the reason why melee champions were struggling in top lane, but as it turns out she was just the first swallow of a broader trend of ranged tops shoving bruisers out of lane.

DropFill1 votes

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I thought they nerfed her because of her obscene CC at all times, source please?

No. Nerfed her because she was nearly untoucheable

Kratos2631 votes

Like lulu is pretty wrong. Lulu almost couldn't miss her q because of pix, while dealing more damage and slowing (I think) more, and if you tried to engage her, you got morphed into a critter and if that wasn't enough, she could ult while you were on top of her for even more easy cc.

DropFill1 votes

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Like lulu is pretty wrong. Lulu almost couldn't miss her q because of pix, while dealing more damage and slowing (I think) more, and if you tried to engage her, you got morphed into a critter and if that wasn't enough, she could ult while you were on top of her for even more easy cc.

But she still could miss, wasting mana. Gnar just spam the hell of his fucking boomerang because he is manaless

AtheosisX1 votes

Go look at Phreak's responses in this thread:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/esports/aYUEYaY2-almost-everyone-wants-to-see-champion-diversity-in-lcs?

It's rather obvious Riot's balance people don't really understand their own game.

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