I don't think a "bronze" ban exists. Ban who you personally dislike playing against, I don't care as long as it isn't my champion or obviously a troll ban.
I will judge you though. I will judge you for -refusing to learn how to play against the champion. -becoming toxic if someone doesn't ban them for you. -instantly tilting when fighting them in game
KONO RUBICK DA12 votesand those reasons are why i hate this board permabanning yasuo "i will ban yasuo instead of learning how to play against him"
because the thing they don't know is that if they do learn how to play against him they won't hate him anymore PLOT TWIST KAAAPA!
oh and add to your list "i ban yasuo because i don't want my mate to pick him"
Penns5 votesKinda hard to learn how to play against the champ that does like 65% of his dmg with auto attacks and another 30% with basically undodgable Qs and has no big weaknesses or weak points in the game lel
KONO RUBICK DA12 votesundodgable Qs
0:54 https://youtu.be/Vc_9mRdDFqg?t=54
if you think it's undodgeable you should watch yasuo 1v1 between yassuo and arkadata
and quite putting lel in your posts, it won't make it less or more legit, just humiliate you more when you're wrong yasuo is trash past lvl 2
Penns8 votesYou dont have like 500 move speed on other champs tho and you didnt have to fight him while dodging them. I 1v1 a friend on Yasuo quite a lot and yeah its possible, but only really early where it doesnt have 1.33 - 1.5s cd and is slower. And only if you predict it, not dodge it.
KONO RUBICK DA9 votesYou dont have like 500 move speed
i don't and janna isn't the only one who's fast, adcs building phantom dancer are actually as fast as janna when yasuo is on top of them
I 1v1 a friend on Yasuo quite a lot and yeah its possible, but only really early where it doesnt have 1.33 - 1.5s cd and is slower. And only if you predict it, not dodge it.
then at least use this amount of time to dodge yasuo Q don't say yasuo Q is undodgeable, if i can do it, if yassuo is able to do it, why can't you do it?
that's what called learning how to play against yasuo
Penns4 votesBecause its just not realistic to "dodge" his Q when its fast af and has 1.33 cooldown while trying to fight him.
They almost never dodged Qs outside of level 3 fights. Sure its always possible to predict them, but its not realistic. And once he gets 
.. yeah ure not doding anything anymore lol.
Who is Taliyah9 votesNot trying to roast you, but that might be a reason that rubick is master and has a smurf in diamond, while you don't.
Of course with a skillshot as fast as yasou's Q, it's really hard to dodge, but there is also this skill you can teach yourself which is called predictions.
Every player plays this game different. Every player has his/her own playstyle on a champion. But every player has to use the same skillshots on a champion, this is where you learn how to predict. Because it comes down on how you move and you can't bend the way skillshots fly. There is only just a small chance to hit a spell and that is through predictions. The same applies to dodging, there is only just a small chance to dodge and that is prediction (unless you're helly fast).
Not saying rubick was definitely right there, because he played one of the fastest, if not the fastest champion in the game, but he had better chances, because of his experience in past games which he learned from.
Penns3 votesThere might be a reason, but I doubt its because he plays better against Yasuo lol.
Like I said, its possible but not realistic. Say you play Kled or something top and you have like 360 move speed, are u really gonna try to dance around the Yasuo to have a chance at dodging his Q?
KONO RUBICK DA5 votesi don't know about kled
i don't know if you can dodge it with every champion however
0:58https://youtu.be/utzyXjmura8?t=58
you can definitly do it on a lot of champions if you have experience to fight against yasuo but if you continue to ban yasuo non-stop you won't learn how to do it
do you prefer yasuo Q to be point and click? might make it point and click if according to you it's impossible to dodge it
it's definitly possible everytime? there is no way i can know it, but it's possible which means the counterplay is real
Penns1 votesYeah this was a level 3 fight like I said, its possible and worth trying there (its not even worth trying to dodge it when he throws them out every 1.5 seconds later).
If youre just talking about early lane, its possible with most champs, but once he gets more attack speed not so much anymore.
And btw I dont even ban Yasuo ever.. Unless 
(idk how much her nerf did tho) 
and 
if I want to play an assassin are already banned xd
Im just saying he is a god tier top laner atm even in high elo and in korea so banning him isnt really bad. I mean he is certainly way stronger than Fizz rn and he is still perma banned for some reason lel
KONO RUBICK DA4 votesyeah he's a god tier toplaner
after fiora kled and renekton which means he isn't ban worthy
yas is being nerfed but if you ban him over fiora and other broken shit like kass ivern cait zac vlad, then you should reconsider the game
how the fuck do you play against vlad? why people are baning yas instead of vlad? that's a mistery
And A Real Hiero1 votesWhent Vlad vs Jax top, styled on Jax all lane long 2/0 Jax didnt even have half my farm. Had most of what Zhonya's requires, Jax had a cutlass. Jax jumps on me and 100-0 me, yeah Vlad op.
GULAG 4 U4 votesIf you have a huge lead on jax and get instabursted as vlad,
You
Fucked
Up
BIG
Time.
Your kit doesn't rely on autos which is EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK JAX COUNTERS, and Jax's E can easily be avoided by your pool. You can also Q Jax down easily.
How the fuck did you get fucked over when you had a huge gold lead?
Answer? Ya fucked up boi.
And A Real Hiero1 votesRight, I stood still and let Jax auto me? Nope, ulted before he landed stun got a empowered Q off, didn't matter. Its not like I suddenly started playing different, Jax simply tanked all I dished out and dealt such a insane amount of damage that I had to B or die instantly.
Q down Jax easy, lol. What do you think I tried, went in for a Q Jax all ins me. I either die or get away with about 10% health. So explain to me how I fucked up, I'd love to know.
GULAG 4 U1 votesYet you don't pool the stun?
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesAre saying Yasuo has no weakness ???
Penns1 votesThinking about what could be a weakness of him... yes, pretty much. He is melee but he has enough tools to play against ranged champs (and he is mostly a top laner at this point anyway). He shits on most tanks but bursting him isnt an option either since PD, defensive boots, GA, Frozen Mallet, Maw, BT, maybe DD and Trinity + Steraks exist.
I guess you could call having no hard escape a weakness but.. eh.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes
sh*t on him despite be a weak laner. 
rekt him easly
U can easly snowball him before he finish his PD, as metal (if i recall) said his early is weak after lv1-2
Troll for Trump17 votesYeah just stop with the "ban Yasuo because you don't know how to play vs him" train.
He's banned for the same reasons anyone else is.
You either hate playing against/with them, they're FOTM, or they're bad matchups.
It's as simple as that.
A lot of people hate playing with/against him, so what does that mean?
He needs changes.
KONO RUBICK DA5 votesyou can think what you want to think
i personally think that they hate playing against him because they can't deal with him if they knew what to do against him they wouldn't hate him anymore
they got outplayed, and they refuse to know how to outplay yasuo
Catastrop3 votes[{quoted}](name=Metal Malicious,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WR2WEKwr,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2017-05-24T00:24:24.273+0000)
you can think what you want to think
i personally think that they hate playing against him because they can't deal with him if they knew what to do against him they wouldn't hate him anymore
they got outplayed, and they refuse to know how to outplay yasuo
I'm sorry, some of us care about winning and that means getting rid of not only OP champions, but Liabilities as well. It's not our fault we don't want to show off how big our dicks are because "Oh look I'm so good I don't ban X."
And yes, I do know how to play against Yasuo, but I still hate him. GASP PLOT TWIST KAPPA
I thought you were a reasonable person, but you're just another high elo schmuck that likes to point and laugh at people below you.
SociopathFriend6 votesA lot of people hate playing with/against him, so what does that mean?
He needs changes.
No? Just because a champion isn't liked doesn't mean he needs to be changed. Like I get people dislike Yasuo but that's probably the worst reason I've ever heard to change a champion.
Troll for Trump4 votesNo, that is THE exact reason why champs are changed.
It's not as blunt as "most people don't like X"
What's important is the why,
It's why Hec is being considered for a rework. Same with Yas.
KONO RUBICK DA7 votesHec isn't considered for a rework because he's unfun it's because he offers no niche while being a generalist along with almost all divers
beside, you can downvote everyone it doesn't change the truth
If people learned how to play against yasuo they wouldn't hate him anymore but since they don't want to bother they ban him
then "riot look yasuo is banned, spoil us and change yasuo" no son, that doesn't work like this
the game doesn't adapt to you, YOU adapt to the game
Troll for Trump2 votesHec isn't considered for a rework because he's unfun it's because he offers no niche while being a generalist along with almost all divers
I never said they were changed because they were unfun. People hated playing against and/or with him. That doesn't mean unfun. People have different reasons for not liking him. Some people may not even hate him, and like him. I'm one of the latter. However, most people seem to hate him in some way, and that is why he is getting changes.
I think some people don't like how he oneshots squishies? Or how he either dominates metas or falls flat. Different reasons as to why they hate playing with/against him.
But again, there are enough dissenters to warrant some changes to him.
I don't think he needs a rework, but most people think he needs changes, and Riot has decided that a rework may be the best course of action to bring about those changes.
beside, you can downvote everyone it doesn't change the truth
I didn't downvote. I thought you were one of the people that said you didn't care about upvotes/downvotes?
If people learned how to play against yasuo they wouldn't hate him anymore but since they don't want to bother they ban him
then "riot look yasuo is banned, spoil us and change yasuo" no son, that doesn't work like this
Again, that is a very broad generalization. It's the exact same as the people that circlejerk about Yas; you are circlejerking about people that hate yas. They don't all not know how to play against him.
Just don't circlejerk.
the game doesn't adapt to you, YOU adapt to the game
No, it's a combination of both. Otherwise, there'd be no changes.
In DoTA, it leans a lot more on the player adapting to the game than visa-versa, but it still does happen occasionally. League, with all the frequent patches, has more of the game adapting to the players than DOTA
KONO RUBICK DA3 votesI never said they were changed because they were unfun. People hated playing against and/or with him. That doesn't mean unfun. People have different reasons for not liking him. Some people may not even hate him, and like him. I'm one of the latter. However, most people seem to hate him in some way, and that is why he is getting changes.
then why are you saying they're changing hecarim therefore they need to change yasuo?
yasuo has in no way the kit problems of hecarim, yasuo is not a generic skirmisher that is a generalist
I didn't downvote. I thought you were one of the people that said you didn't care about upvotes/downvotes?
which is why i said it won't change the truth
Again, that is a very broad generalization. It's the exact same as the people that circlejerk about Yas; you are circlejerking about people that hate yas. They don't all not know how to play against him.
Just don't circlejerk.
fine i'm circlejerking i admit it but what i say is not wrong, if they knew how to make yasuo useless they wouldn't hate him
In DoTA, it leans a lot more on the player adapting to the game than visa-versa, but it still does happen occasionally. League, with all the frequent patches, has more of the game adapting to the players than DOTA
dota is a shit game when it comes to casuality, counterplay is minor against melee carries except 'shut down them in early game'
in league, champions have visibl counterplay just like yasuo, what else do you want they offered you a way to deal with yasuo?
Troll for Trump2 votesthen why are you saying they're changing hecarim therefore they need to change yasuo?
yasuo has in no way the kit problems of hecarim, yasuo is not a generic skirmisher that is a generalist
Because people hate yasuo. People hate hecarim. They hate them for different reasons.
They still hate them both, all the same, just for different reasons. The hate is the reason they're being/will be changed.
fine i'm circlejerking i admit it but what i say is not wrong, if they knew how to make yasuo useless they wouldn't hate him
Well it is wrong, because that's not what "They" are arguing for. "They" don't want to make him useless. That isn't the truth, that's just circlejerk. You're grouping all of them up into that argument.
It'd be like me grouping you with people that want Yasuo to have triple crit chance, or some other ludicrous, extremist, polar argument.
If Yas was useless, they'd start asking for buffs, and wouldn't complain about him for no reason. However, he isn't.
They don't want Yas to be useless, they want him to be changed. Big difference.
dota is a shit game when it comes to casuality, counterplay is minor against melee carries except 'shut down them in early game'
Exactly. Because the game never adapts to the player, and generally expects the player to adapt to the game, it really hurts the casual playerbase. League wants more casual players, and thus has the game adapt to the players more than DoTA.
in league, champions have visibl counterplay just like yasuo, what else do you want they offered you a way to deal with yasuo?
To not have a champ that can cover up weaknesses with player skill more than other champs. That's pretty much true for all things of high skillcap
ACENOX1 votesescuse me but
To not have a champ that can cover up weaknesses with player skill more than other champs. That's pretty much true for all things of high skillcap
if yasuo had no weaknesses he would have got 100% win rate already yasuo is not immortal, yasuo's weaknesses is that he deals no damage before ult as he needs armor pen and his ult needs a knock up, and his knock up is not certain
additionally, his mobility is limited to a 400 range 10-6 sec dash that can be stopped by ccs unlike other dashes, until he has a lot of minions
windwall has a long cd
sounds like a lot of weaknesses to me
Troll for Trump1 votesYasuo does not cover his weaknesses 100%. What he does is cover it more so than other champs.
Yasuo is not the only one to do this. A lot of other champs cover their weaknesses more than Yasuo, through other means.
The way Yasuo covers his weaknesses is with skill. Graves or Lucian, for example, cover their weaknesses with itemization.
if yasuo had no weaknesses he would have got 100% win rate already yasuo is not immortal, yasuo's weaknesses is that he deals no damage before ult as he needs armor pen and his ult needs a knock up, and his knock up is not certain
additionally, his mobility is limited to a 400 range 10-6 sec dash that can be stopped by ccs unlike other dashes, until he has a lot of minions
windwall has a long cd
First of all, that's...4 weaknesses? Not a lot.
No he does a lot of dmg even without ult, excluding the fact that his ult has a relatively short cooldown. His lvl 2 is one of the strongest in game. He does not need armor pen early game. Lategame, he becomes more drain tank and less bursty, and, isn't as polar as he is early. This is an itemization based cover-up
his ult needs a knock up, and his knock up is not certain
This is a weakness that's based on skill, basically. Yas, however, gets the initiative with his E+q. If he only did his third Q, it would be 100% a skillmatchup. That is not the case, and, if it were, Yas would be bad.
additionally, his mobility is limited to a 400 range 10-6 sec dash that can be stopped by ccs unlike other dashes, until he has a lot of minions
How many top laners even have dashes at all. The ability for a top laner to even have mobility gives them much more outplay potential, rewarding them for skill more than immobile top laners. By having that dash, Yas has more windows to trade, engage, or escape than a immobile top laner.
Yas will dash around, while traditional top laners will be brick walls. How the dash is used is entirely based on the player, and is a skill-based weakness.
You will get the cocky Yasuos that you will destroy. You will get the god Yasuos that you will never be able to hit with your abilities no matter how hard you try, because of the gap in skill ceiling between your champ and Yasuo.
windwall has a long cd
It's based on how the player uses it. If the player misuses it by using too frequently, that's up to the player.
Windwall isn't as useful in top lane vs mid lane. That's a weakness for Yasuo.
There are many other weaknesses for Yasuo that weren't mentioned here though.
LordGeovanni1 votesIdk if people noticed but divers are dps carries what are the diffrent niches between 
. They are all dps to get out as much as you can.
koshkyra1 votesWe're nerfing Camille again because she's unfun to lane against.
Yeah, riot would never change someone because people dislike fighting them.
LordGeovanni1 votes
Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votesYou either hate playing against/with them, they're FOTM, or they're bad matchups.
Its not true, to begin most player ban Yasuo and don't care about matchup. And their just few champ banned cause some retard don't want to play with.
A lot of people hate playing with/against him, so what does that mean? He needs changes.
No. Where does it come ??? Ur main is Darius, most of people hate playing against him, but all honest pleb will agree on the fact he's balanced.
All cry baby can downvote Metal and keep crying, or start to use their brain and learn to play against Yasuo.
Troll for Trump1 votesIts not true, to begin most player ban Yasuo and don't care about matchup. And their just few champ banned cause some retard don't want to play with.
Yes, that's why I said "or"
No. Where does it come ??? Ur main is Darius, most of people hate playing against him, but all honest pleb will agree on the fact he's balanced.
Yes, so he needs changes to make it more fun for lower elos. It's just difficult to find a way to tone him down for lower elos without impacting him at higher elos. If you hate playing with something, it will get changes. That is how the community and RIot interact.
That doesn't mean only nerfs; it can be with buffs or reverts too.
Kog'maw rework: Everyone hated it? Revert. Same with Malz (not full revert) Cait: Everyone hates her zoning? Riot makes her clunkyish Sated Devourer: Everyone hated it? Removed
Changes in the game are caused by dissent in the community. If the community was content with everything in the game, there would be no change.
All cry baby can downvote Metal and keep crying, or start to use their brain and learn to play against Yasuo.
Really unecessary ad hominem that proves my point. A lot of people complain about" nerf yas" "nerf lee" "nerf riven" circlejerk, when those people are doing the same thing.
For instance, you may complain about people calling anyone that defends Yas a "filthy yasuo main"
Here, you are calling the people that want Yas to be changed "cry baby"
Kettle calling the Pot black.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votesYes, so he needs changes to make it more fun for lower elos.
No, low elo need to learn to play, nothing other than this.
Kog'maw rework: Everyone hated it? Revert. Same with Malz (not full revert) Cait: Everyone hates her zoning? Riot makes her clunkyish Sated Devourer: Everyone hated it? Removed
No all this were/are reworked because they were op/balance nightmare... Even in high elo they were/are (Cait) an issues to the health of the game.
A lot of people complain about" nerf yas" "nerf lee" "nerf riven" circlejerk, when those people are doing the same thing.
Most of theses people don't understand the game.
For instance, you may complain about people calling anyone that defends Yas a "filthy yasuo main"
No, i won't complain, cause i don't care.
Here, you are calling the people that want Yas to be changed "cry baby"
No, i speak about people making a thread everyday/hour against yasuo instead to learn to play against.
Troll for Trump1 votesNo all this were/are reworked because they were op/balance nightmare... Even in high elo they were/are (Cait) an issues to the health of the game.
Without people hating or complaining about something, they aren't OP or balancing nightmares.
Nothing can be OP unless people complain about it. Nothing can be unbalanced, unless people complain about it. Nothing can be underpowered, unless people complain about it.
Understand?
No, i won't complain, cause i don't care.
"For instance, you may..."
No, i speak about people making a thread everyday/hour against yasuo instead to learn to play against.
I mean. The post literally say "cry baby." That's an objective fact. You can't deny that...
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesWithout people hating or complaining about something, they aren't OP or balancing nightmares.
Nothing can be OP unless people complain about it. Nothing can be unbalanced, unless people complain about it. Nothing can be underpowered, unless people complain about it.
Understand?
yeah i understand ur pov, but i desagree. Just look at Kled, he's op since age, but nobody complained about him cause not many people play him. And just looking at stat we can saw what's op or not. Look at a pick having a high pick rate & winrate, it would be definitly op.
"For instance, you may..."
Lmao*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*
I mean. The post literally say "cry baby." That's an objective fact. You can't deny that...
I won't deny it
Troll for Trump1 votesYeah, and whenever a pick has a high pickrate and winrate, people often start complaining, yes?
Low pickrate high winrate champs aren't complained about. The champ is strong, but no one really has issues because it's counterbalanced by low pickrate; you wouldn't nerf Karthus because of Karthus top having had the highest winrate at somepoint, for instance. Nor would you nerf Fiddlesticks because of Fiddle mid having high winrate + low pickrate.
FEEDlNG TIME10 votesI'll be banning blitzcrank all the way up til i'm diamond, and still then
Enemy blitz lands one hook at 40 minutes, doesn't matter if your team is 10,000 gold ahead, it's a 4v5 now and you just lost the game.
Fu'ck that
fuffychan3 votesAnyone who bans 
is trash guaranteed
HalcyonDweller45 votesAnyone who bans
Your bias is showing.
HalcyonDweller41 votesYour
skillarrogance is showing.
FTFY
Daddy Ants3 votesYour bias is showing.
Enemy picks Vayne?
Pick Caitlyn with a Sona/Zyra/Brand support.
Hehe xd Vayne tilted.
Redesignated3 votesI like when someone on my team bans Vayne because it means destroying the enemy ADC might not be sleep inducingly-easy, as destroying Vayne is. A challenge is good sometimes.
Marshbouy10 votesI was going to write a spiteful comment here but decided against it.
Redesignated3 votesWhat for? It's fun to not auto-win a lane and have the opportunity to fight against something more reliably threatening (at least when you're not trying to recover from a losing streak), and people banning Vayne for whatever reason they do makes those kinds of games more likely.
Marshbouy10 votesI was going to comment about how arrogant you sounded but I really don't feel like getting into a really long verbal argument that's only going to result in both of us getting mad. You go on your way and i'll go on mine.
