instead of buffing/reverting black cleaver buff darius renek and riven directly

Death by Glamour··3 votes·306 views

those are your intended targets for this buff correct? the buff itself is to broad and will hit those that dont need it,

j4 doesnt need this kind of buff neither do panth, MF, jayce, wu or garen

graves and lucian may or may not require such a buff but that isnt the issue

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Critmaster Garen1 votes

wu is trash and needed buffs for a long time. i dont know about pantheon but jayce and j4 got nerfs.

garen is at like just below 50% winrate.

the cleaver buff wont affect him much since the cleaver shred stacks poorly with his own armor shred on his spin. he gets less than 6% increase off it. its going to be more like between 3% and 4% more shred for him than he gets now.

dont expect this to have any actual impact on his strength.

Death by Glamour1 votes

garen wu j4 and pantheon were all sitting in the top 20 before the patch...

you keep thinking about this buff in a 1v1 scenario

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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garen wu j4 and pantheon were all sitting in the top 20 before the patch...

you keep thinking about this buff in a 1v1 scenario

garen is at rank 22 with 50.7% winrate.

the buff could increase his winrate by maybe half a % if hes lucky. big whoop. though other top laners are being buffed directly in relation to him aswell, so it might even go down.

wukong is pretty surprising to me, but hes building full lethality and his high winrate might be a result of him being a counterpick to the currently strong ranged top laners like jayce and teemo. well have to see what it looks like when more melee brusiers are played again.

pantheon was always an issue for top lane. he needs changes to hit kit anyway.

Hammermancer1 votes

the whole top lane was balanced around cleaver as it was for a long way, then they changed it, and then they changed the runes

this displaced like a dozen or more champions

Reverting the cleaver nerf will help like a dozen or more champions

Some champions will abuse it, they will be adjusted accordingly

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