when a "high elo player" tell you how to play your main

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You are completely wrong. I know plenty of silvers with great mechanical skill, but I only started climbing once I started learning the game. You literally don't know how little you know.

and i know plenty of silver player who have shit mechanical skills but know an absurd amount about the game...

these things arn't "mutually exclusive"

the difference is.. if have HAVE great mechanical skill they can LEARN the game... you cant LEARN mechanical skill past a certain point, that is a limitation of the human body.

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I dont know man... I think any d2 player will know more than any s5 player would know about there one trick.

so you honestly think a player just because they have higher mechanical skill know more about a champion they have never played. than a person with over 1000 games on the champ?

let me ask you something... do u think players get "stuck" in silver becuase they have no game knowleldge? or becuase they don't have mechanics? you can LEARN the game. you can have the better game knowledge than faker (this is an EXAMPLE), but if your click accuracy is bad, you are playing on 150 ping. you can only place ranked twice a week, you have random packet loss, and you main a champ like support.. you are not going to carry yourself out of silver.

there are shit players in silver... but there are also VERY good players in silver who cant climbed because, they HAVE a LIFE. and their world doesn't revolve around this game.

if you think EVERY player you call "stuck" in silver is there because they don't have the GAME knowledge to climb.. YOU are the one that is delusional. game knowledge is NOT what stops people from climbing.

Except I have had a multitude of people spam ping when I build tear on Taric who then ask me "how is your attack speed so fast?" It is absurd that people think they can tell me what to build when they don't even know what my passive does.

Exactly. I'm only Gold 1 and I taught a group of bronze and silver players for a couple of months last season, the one that actually applied what I taught climbed from Bronze 3 with a 33% win rate to Silver 4 with 49%.

I taught him how to play Amumu. I'd probably played like 2 games of Amumu to his 50, but the comparative skill was enough for me to get him to climb 4 ranks with that champion by the time preseason was over.

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Higher elo players can help you play this game as this champ. They probably have played against this champ just as much or more often than you have played this champ, allowing them to see the weaknesses of that champ you're maining.

lol are you crazy? the VERY first thing when playing a new champ for the first time IS their weaknesses, you think over 1000 games on one even a BRONZE player couldn't point out the weakness of a champ they main?

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I mean, what matters is if they're actually right, regardless of their elo.

Theres people who main stuff for ages but have never strayed in their build or playstyle, and what they just happened to do in their earliest days of playing the champ is probably not optimal play.

this is true; when i made this thread, i wasn't really considering item builds, but good very point.

and the end elo donest matter what matters is who is correct. and yeah im sure there are cases when somone calls themself a "main" of a champion in lower elo and they dont know jack shit about it and some higher elo person who hasn't played the champ before still knows more about the kit.

i mean just yesterday i had to explain to my freind who was being my ADC as jihn that his Q donest get stronger unless it kills a minion.. he thought it was with each bounce regardless.. now i dont play jihn, i own him sure, but as i cant play adc to save my life. i just buy them so so i can swap with ym freinds i think he was lvl 6 on jihn.. granted we are both silver.

but he literall was like.. dude no.. let my READ YOU THE SILL DESCRIPTION... then he did and was like ... "OH.. wow you're right.."

so yeah

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Depends on what it was they said really I mean if you are playing a champ and doing bad against your lane and i say something like "build a hexdrinker" when they mainly deal magic damage and i see you still building damage and keep dying I'd say that be fine. Never really had anyone literally tell me how to play them other than maybe something like "peel for the adc". Which I still wouldn't consider telling someone how to play their champion so i'm curious what this supposedly high elo player said to you and who your "main" is

they didn't say anything... this scenario didn't actually happen.. to me, at least this past year. i just was thinking about Dr Who in the shower and thought that this scene was a perfect example example of people telling you "your doing it wrong" when they have absolutely no idea wtf they are talking about...

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My favorite thing with this is when I then go over to the subreddit for my main, read what the high elo players who actually play my main say, and it ends up contradicting what this "I'm high elo so my opinion is better than yours" guy says.

well i dont use reddit, but yeah any player who thinks they are better than you because they are "higher elo" is full of themselves.

if your BETTER than me.. you proe it by example... not my talking shit.

you think you can play my main better than me.. ok then ill go support we can que together next game and u can SHOW me. then when your bullshit thoery donest work becuase it was ludicrous to begin with we can have an educated discussion about you telling someone who to play a champ they have never played before.

you want to know the last thing i said to a higher elo player (sysbot) who streams nidalee when i saw his runepage, and i suggested he try a different one

i told him to the new rune-page for nidalee. he tried it ONE game as was like "holy shit this is ABSURDLY better than what i was using, Thanks dude"

you know what? he also plays nidalee.. he is DAMN good at nidalee. and yet some random silver player (aka ME) showed him a better way.

thats what ACTUAL high elo players do, they dont shit talk other people.. they take new info.. take into into account. and that use that info to climb even further, he listen to my reason and thought he would give it a try... then realizing i was correct.. thanked me for it and as far as i know he is still using the same runepage for nidalee i showed him to this day.

he is diamond

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From my observation from playing a lot of games with players of varied skill levels, the thing that separates high level players from low level players is macro play and _general_game knowledge.

You could be decent or pretty good mechanically speaking but if you make stupid decisions constantly you probably won’t make it out of silver.

As for playing a champion, I think a distinction needs to be made between playing the champ well in game and knowing the ins and outs of a champion.

For example, if a random high level player and a low level one trick play mirror match up in blind pick, chances are that the high level player is going to win through a mix of good mechanics and vastly superior

oh dont get im wrong.. i am not saying in anyway one tricks in lower elo could carry themselves ot either or even 1v1 a high elo player.

what I'm saying is that, if you are going to go get surgery you would rather go to a first year med student than steven hawkings. (or at least i would)

because yeah Steven hawking is a hell of a lot smarter, but he doesn't know the ins and out's of THIS particular field as much as said first year med student