So champions like Kog or Karth are sometimes taken to the jungle even in high ELO...
...and their jungle players say it's the best way for them to get lots of gold while avoiding their difficult laning phase.
However, jungle players regularly complain how they are always behind in gold, and how they deserve to tax you 2 waves for every gank because of that etc.
Who is lying to me? [zombie-brand-mindblown]