C'mon Rito. Giving a champion up to 600 base damage on AOE ult is asking for another "I'm a skirmisher but gonna build full tank anyway" champion like tank Ekko, and Riven isn't even doing that bad.
Getcuxcd51 votesits cause theres been alot of GODAWFUL riven main threads lately that cant bear the fact she is almost balanced(still on the OPer side THO) https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivenmains/comments/49y6ih/do_this_if_you_want_riven_buffs/ just look at that and feel disgusted af some even seriously suggested that she needs Q to do % HP dmg just because other top laners have it [zombie-brand-facepalm]
jr deputy meow7 votesimo they have a very strong point riven is crazy easy to bully when her ult is down every time i've ever gotten mashed by riven it was because she either cheesed me early or cheesed me once she got ult past super early game, she can't really fight on even terms without her ult
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Droogzy7 votesDon't have Riven unlocked, but lets not over exaggerate. BoxBox, the best Riven player in League of Legends can pull off the animation cancelling successfully maybe half of the time.
The average league player is incapable of successfully animation cancelling consistently.
Honestly, she's in a pretty weak spot with the current meta.
PermabannedGaren8 votesDon't have Riven unlocked, but lets not over exaggerate. BoxBox, the best Riven player in League of Legends can pull off the animation cancelling successfully maybe half of the time.
The average league player is incapable of successfully animation cancelling consistently.
Box Box is probably not even the best Riven in NA, much less the best in the world.
Droogzy3 votesIn terms of raw mechanics behind Riven, Box Box has the title of being one of the best Riven players, in the overall player skills, you'd be more accurate.
Even if you want to pick your favorite best Riven player whoever it may be, Smeb, Best Riven NA, Lord Master King, Huni, etc. (there's a ton of them) they all at best can animation cancel successfully around 50-60 percent of the time.
PermabannedGaren5 votesIn terms of raw mechanics behind Riven, Box Box has the title of being one of the best Riven players, in the overall player skills, you'd be more accurate.
Even if you want to pick your favorite best Riven player whoever it may be, Smeb, Best Riven NA, Lord Master King, Huni, etc. (there's a ton of them) they all at best can animation cancel successfully around 50-60 percent of the time.
Box Box is my favorite Riven player and the only one I watch because he's fun to watch.
The Shy is probably the best Riven in the world from what I understand, from a mechanical standpoint.
Though yeah, I agree with the point of your post. Even extremely good Riven players flub their canceling fairly often.
TheOvermind1 votesBox box might know his combos and how to outplay , but he has no clue how to freeze his lane ( actually he does, but he never does anyway), he doesn't know how to take advantage of his lead and force the enemy to miss out on cs, or never splitpushes when there is no one that can beat him, he just mindlessly tower dives his opponent, and goes to 1v3 when the enemy team has stuff like malzahar, Leona, nautilus and caitlyn on their team and ends up throwing his lead like 80% of the time. The other 20% he gets lucky and gets a triple kill.
Mecha Incognito5 votesBut he plays for a different reason to most players now - for fun. Gasp Shock
There are times where he'll tryhard and deny etc, but most of the time he wants to just try and outplay people for entertainment.
Kingnewgameplus42 votesPercent health damage attached to a triple dash and a knockup legit sounds like an ability somebody makes up on the spot for the sake of a joke.
Getcuxcd3 votesPercent health damage attached to a triple dash and a knockup legit sounds like an ability somebody makes up on the spot for the sake of a joke.
bro those riven mains .. you dont know them you would think anything they say is a joke but they are serious and they actually mean it thats what im talking about ive heard shit like shes lackluster she gets countered by everyone bla bla LMAO what a bunch of crap a good riven doesnt have a definite counter she has 50/50 SKILL MATCHUPS and they arent much either everyone else gets completely shit on they also want her ult to have armor pen just becuz yasuo haz it they also want more animation cancelling on other stuff while in reality her animation cancelling that she already has needs to be deleted LMAO they are such insolent creatures
Mecha Incognito10 votesNot that I'm agreeing with what those people posted on reddit, but tell me again how Riven has an even match up with 
.
I'll wait.
Bagguette9 votesRiven can beat Irelia, Nobody can beat panth to be honest, olaf is a 50 50 chance, Cassio is squishy so just delete her after she uses her grounded move, Garen... No, and renekton... Maybe if your lucky.
Only Play Darius14 votesDon't forget low cooldown and no resource cost
I don't like making Riven QQ jokes but these buffs are absolute bullshit along with the ones they are planning for 
. At this point Riot isn't even trying to hide the fact that they want a rotating meta of 20 or so champions that just blow other choices out of the water.
Dessem5 votesThe thread talks about a mediocre winrate for a high skillfloor champion.
Well, I'll be curious to find out why Riot thinks Riven needs buffs.
Bagguette2 votesShe needs some type of upgrade in her kit, Fiora, Kled, and probably some other champions have it and unless your a riven expert, you will not beat a fiora. all the other people on the fourms are biased and think shes op because of when she was first released and people who think shes balanced because of her kit (The Q is on a fucking 14 second cooldown alot of you just don't know how to punish her), but shes really a super squishy character and gets deleted in a second and also dosen't fit into many team comps, also when she falls behind shes useless. can't wait for the buff as a 
Main, i think she NEEDS it.
UnderscorBunnies28 votesShe's honestly pretty weak right now. She doesn't have a ton of good matchups in the current meta, and even the ones she does, very rarely is there ever a teamcomp that allows her to pop off the way that everyone thinks she can.
On that note, to the people saying that her animation cancelling should be removed, Riven is balanced around her maximum possible damage output. The complexity of her animation cancelling makes her easily one of the most complex champions in the game.
Yes, I have level 6 on Riven, no I don't "Main" her, I just enjoy a champion that requires a very high and precise APM to play to the highest level.
DogshítPlayer12 votesfiora > riven (fuck that parry) darius > riven (skill based but he will outscale) garen > riven irelia > riven TANK YASUO > riven (this is not even fair) sehs not super good atm she could use a small buff like increase the damage on the passive i would say by like 5% is the most she needs
UnderscorBunnies3 votesI was saying that she's weak and probably deserved some buff.
DogshítPlayer3 votesTbh with you i used to love playing riven but shes just so hard to play against these champs all darius has to do is spam q and hit you to nuke you with ult all garen has to do is silence you all fiora has to do is use w properly during your cc... irelia just has ridiclous damage with one item.. and yasuo... they just need to fix that all together... its not so much that shes even weak there just so much easier to play champs that can snowball and be just as obnoxious as a fed riven (especially yasuo and fiora) and the worst part are these champs are popular af... And lately it feels like mana champs in top lane dont ruun out of mana anymore darius never feels like hes going oom neither does fiora or illaoi...
UnderscorBunnies3 votesI was under the impression the yasuo matchup was freelo.
As for Fiora, she's pretty weak early game, and it's pretty easy to abuse, that being said, she will outscale a riven 100% of the time.
Sypher The Poro4 votesI would honestly say Riven destroys Darius after his rework. It is really easy to get inside his Q range and out-damage him early while denying the heal. Later in the game with BC she can shred through his armor while using E to dodge his Q.
DogshítPlayer1 votesYour completely right but theres a problem darius also gets bc and it lowerrs his q down also and you have to consistently move with him inside that range and teh cd changes with throw a person off and not only that sometimes that q radius is bullshit and u get hit directly on the edge of it and if darius decides to rush sunfire or a tank item he doesn't really need to land q all that often he can just aa and w and get his stacks because riven wont have the damage output to punish him for rushing tank items...
Sypher The Poro2 votesIf a Darius rushed a tank item he does not have the damage to duel a Riven.
Against Darius I build BC > Tabi > Death's Dance, Hydra, into situational items. This puts me at 45% CDR (or 40% if I took Fervor instead of TLDR). A decent trade against a Darius is wait on him to use Q, then Q into him and pull off a combo. (Q > AA > W > AA > Q away using E to dodge the pull if needed.)
DogshítPlayer5 votesyour first line is completely false thanks to darius passive he gets retarded damage if he combos he gets he bloodrage passive off.. and btw a juggernaut has naturally high damage without building damage see illaoi and garen for reference
KVbqbFsC8e25 votesThats dumb. Riven isn't even weak, its just that she relies on an exploit to be played at a high level.
Mecha Incognito3 votesWhat exploit?
Narasimha13 votesAnimation canceling. She is literally balanced around something that even pros can't do consistently.
Mecha Incognito2 votesSo then how is that an exploit. If it's something that difficult surely it's a hindrance, not something you're benefiting from.
Narasimha6 votesBecause it's not part of her kit or stats. It's something people found out that worked, and it's stuck. You actually have to go out of your way to learn how to do it. Theres literally nothing in-game that indicates that exists, meaning players won't necessarily know about it. But it also impacts her power in a very real way if you can do it. Therefore, exploit.
Mecha Incognito2 votesNothing in game tells you Caitlyn can E-Q to cancel the Q animation, yet no one is up in arms about that being an exploit.
Narasimha3 votesYou hit the nail on the head. Caitlyn has one such trick, and she's not reliant on it. It doesn't change her playstyle. Riven IS reliant on her animation canceling to get her damage. The difference between a player using it and a player not using it actually makes a noticeable difference.
DarkSunSovereign4 votesAnimation cancelling
Reads IGN
Oops lol
Stalinium19 votesI assume those changes ate in preparation for worlds.
Not gonna lie, seeing a Riven would be quite interesting, so at the very least this dumb buff makes her "strong enough" for lcsbigplays and worth the risk of picking her
YCitizenSnipsY15 votesWhy would they be in preparation for worlds? Riven has very little pro use. The only way people are going to pick her is if they are comfortable on her or she counters something meta, like people ran her as a counter to Rumble in season 5.
DeathBot66617 votesThere in preparation for worlds BECAUSE she has very little pro use.
I think what he/she means is that riot is intentionally making her strong in hopes that she gets some playtime in worlds.
Blue Moon Wolf4 votesthen why wouldn't they buff some other champs that never see pro use. there are way too many champs to just buff a few to make them see pro use. As far as I know, 
hasn't ever seen LCS play at least in the last 3 years, why wouldn't they buff a champ like him to make him more appealing for Worlds?
Jeddy0175 votesI remember seeing a Wukong in the EU LCS last year. It was the Unicorns of Love, I think they lost & I remember Deficio trash talking the pick. That was the 1st & last time I have seen him in the LCS.
Blue Moon Wolf3 votesGood to know, but still sort of proves my point. It would be nice to see him be able to do well in worlds and not be treated as "a champ for beginners".
DænariusKhølerin4 votesThey want to bait Faker into playing her mid again I guess? Lol, idk.
Braum Mechanics7 votesI assume those changes ate in preparation for worlds.
Not gonna lie, seeing a Riven would be quite interesting, so at the very least this dumb buff makes her "strong enough" for lcsbigplays and worth the risk of picking her
I don't think this is targetted towards LCS. There have been some posts indicating that Championship Riven will be made available around the time of worlds this year.
Pretty sure this buff is to get more people to play Riven and once they get the hang of it, they will buy the skin.
jr deputy meow13 votesi don't understand how you guys can hate riven THIS much she's clearly not strong right now this is like the people who continue to complain about zed after he's been gutted to the point that i can pick ori in to him and just force trades before level 6 and win lane/game
Vegas Dad7 votes[{quoted}](name=jr deputy meow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3A6enRZW,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-08-10T00:30:26.747+0000)
i don't understand how you guys can hate riven THIS much she's clearly not strong right now this is like the people who continue to complain about zed after he's been gutted to the point that i can pick ori in to him and just force trades before level 6 and win lane/game
Exactly how is a champ with a 11% pick rate 49% winrate in anyway shape or form needing a buff? I can scan the champ list and instantly find 50 more champ deserving of buffs because THEY FACTUALLY not made up are not not strong RIGHT NOW.
do yourself a favor grab WW go run him to the top lane to understand what "not strong " actually means dipshit. Oh and before you post some horseshit about WW should be jungle not top lane Riven actually out jungles WW as well in every tangible way as well.
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jr deputy meow1 voteson the same note, did my orianna really need a 10 second reduction on her base ult cooldown, and a flat 100 mana cost? No, she's not even weak right now imo (65% winrate on her). But nobody is talking about her, and her buff is arguably much bigger!
the buff isn't that huge, and riven - much moreso than orianna - is in a weak place right now. Do i think it was the RIGHT buff? honestly, no. Generally speaking, riven's ult has no trouble killing people at low health as it is. Best case scenario, this buff will give your ult another 40 damage at level 16 if you totally fuck up and doubletap your ult at the beginning of a fight. Other than that, i expect no winrate changes to come of this.
hawaii tide11 votesi dont think you guys understand that if you dont main the champion or dont excel on her, youre complete garbage. she is not "noob friendly" like champions such as nautilus or garen. she needs these buffs because she doesnt have that many good match ups. and shes not even CLOSE to as good as she was last year. so stop complaining. its for pro play, and she probably wont even be picked that much there. this buff isnt that significant.
Bladerunner77772 votesthe gameplay boards is filled with a ton of bronze players who main super easy champions and think of "balance decisions" irrationally
Prime example being the Sona mains pathetically defending their 58% winrate champion and claiming "She's not OP!!!"
Sypher The Poro8 votesMy stance as a Riven main with 370K points and counting:
Riven's biggest weakness right now are heavy tanks in lane due to her need to snowball, and because they build a lot of armor/HP early on her ult does very little damage to them even when they fall below the max threshold (25%).
This won't do much except in the case of heavy tanks, due to them having more HP at 25% than any other champions. Regarding bruisers and squishes this won't do much because their 25% HP is much lower than a full tank and if they are at that 25% Riven's ult will kill you regardless. I doubt this will change her winrate more than +1% / +1.5%.
However a lot of Riven mains like myself don't want this buff to go through, at least not as is, because we're afraid it will push her into the "must ban" spot simply because people don't want to play against her.
