Why you need MR to live through mage burst, but mage without armor can survive AD burst?

PiVoRx··1 votes·579 views

That bothers me and imo its unfair as hell.

Why i need heavy MR items to live through Ahri Annie Anivia Veigar Syndra Kassadin Kennen Malzahar OriannaLux Lissandra their burst combo, meanwhile with 0 armor they can just tank rounds from full damage ad carry.

Its just feel stupid when lets say Lucian throws entire combo at Ahri but she survives and one shots him right after.

Can we give a reason for mages to get armor?

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CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

maybe that's why MR items give better flexibility than armor

ZephyrDrake2 votes

it's like every champion in the game gains armor per lvl unlike MR and those that do gain MR per lvl the amount they gain is significantly lower than the armor they gain

JhomasTefferson1 votes

Make it so armor pen works like magic pen and if you have more pen than they have armor... you start dealing more damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well if you have enough armor pen you ignore all of their armor then you do

JhomasTefferson1 votes

No, if you have 40 armor pen, yet the target only has 30 armor, that remaining ten becomes useless.

with magic pen, if you have 40 mpen, but the target only has 30 mr, you get bonus damage. I don't know how its calculated exactly, but ive seen so many youtube videos where people make builds taking advantage of this, especially on amumu and pre rework fiddle, who have/had built in mpen effects.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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No, if you have 40 armor pen, yet the target only has 30 armor, that remaining ten becomes useless.

with magic pen, if you have 40 mpen, but the target only has 30 mr, you get bonus damage. I don't know how its calculated exactly, but ive seen so many youtube videos where people make builds taking advantage of this, especially on amumu and pre rework fiddle, who have/had built in mpen effects.

Armor penetration is a champion statistic that reduces the effectiveness of a target's armor, meaning 10 armor penetration makes a target take damage as though it had -10 armor, or 20% penetration equals 20% less. The difference between penetration and armor reduction is that reduction can reduce armor below zero and affects any source of physical damage to a target. The effects of armor penetration, on the other hand, are ignored once the target's effective armor drops below 0, and only the source of the armor penetration reaps the benefits.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

O ok ty for the explanation

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Syndra dies to a draven/jinx/kogmaw in litterally two hits, all the mages you listed are incredibly weak to AD champions like Talon or a Zed that knows what hes doing.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

all champs except Thresh get armor per lvl. not all champs get mr per lvl. most get 30 and stay there or end up about 55 mr at lvl 18. also the amount of ap a mage can have is always greater then the amount of AD a champ can get ... its not rare to see mages with 600+ ap at lvl 18 where as most AD champs top out about 360 AD. i assume the difference is that ad is applied via auto attacks and you dont have to hit skill shot or abilities to apply the ad damage. but as mages you typically have to use a skill shot or hit a champ with ability to do magic damage.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

This is due to itemization too. Rabadons can increase your ap by 35% there are also multiple items which give 100+ ap, yet the highest ad items only give 75 ad

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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This is due to itemization too. Rabadons can increase your ap by 35% there are also multiple items which give 100+ ap, yet the highest ad items only give 75 ad

yet you can get crit on ad which makes you do double damage or 250% damage if you have item 3031

also you have to hit players with abilities to do damage as an ap champ where when youre ad ( all champs can get ad and do per lvl ) just by right clicking targets you do damage... alot easier to apply the physical damage in theory

JhomasTefferson1 votes

Annie is laughing at you.

in theory

communism works in theory

also, crit doesn't affect ad ratio spells which do physical damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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Annie is laughing at you.

communism works in theory

also, crit doesn't affect ad ratio spells which do physical damage.

if i have crit i dont care about ad spells i auto attack .... ever adc who is pass 30mins with full items

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

agbudar1 votes

item 3157 last time i checked zhoniya's still has armor

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