Stop saying Season 5 is super unbalanced.

Guy Fox Teemo·Jul 6, 2015·29 votes·4,013 views

Unless you played in seasons 1-3, you know nothing about the game being "Unbalanced". Because it was a hell of a lot different and a whole lot less balanced then before.

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xJLx MCHammerJul 6, 201516 votes

S5 is probably the most balanced season. Though, there are a few red flags that still need to be addressed and have piled up more

VDc0zCqe0wJul 6, 20151 votes

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S5 is probably the most balanced season. Though, there are a few red flags that still need to be addressed and have piled up more

no it isn't

S3 was better, bring up numbers instead of spreading lies

junglerboy16Jul 6, 20158 votes

So... You gonna bring any numbers of your own or should we just assume you're also spreading lies?

VDc0zCqe0wJul 6, 20151 votes

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So... You gonna bring any numbers of your own or should we just assume you're also spreading lies?

ADCs played a decent amount of times in S3: MF, Ezreal, Ashe, Varus, Twitch, Tristana, Corki, Vayne, Cait, Kog

ADCs rarely played: Sivir (wich was gonna get reworked anyways), Urgot and Quinn, and that's it

oh, and Graves, but no one wants that anti-fun piece of trash viable ever

Supports played a high number of times in S3: Sona, Zyra, Elise, Fiddle, Annie (worlds showed she was viable), Janna, Soraka, Lulu, Thresh, Blitz (madlife mostly), Alistar (madlife mostly), Leona

Supports rarely played: NO.ONE

Supports now: Sona, Zyra, Elise, Fiddle, Lulu, Blitz, next-to never played, Zyra in particular has yet to be picked since last year's summer (that balance!)

ADCS now: GL playing MF (at least she's getting buffed), Twitch, Varus, Kog and i'd say even Ashe

you could argue that Elise and Fiddle are not supports, but neither is Nautilus or Shen, or Irelia (wich is more viable than Zyra or Sona since she was picked in LCK)

and no: 5 broken champs (Zed, Ahri, Zac, Kassa, Gragas) don't make a whole season terrible when botlane was the most diverse it has ever been along 5 seasons

OnegarionJul 6, 20153 votes

Thats not balance, but variety. There is a difference between variety and balance. Bot lane has become a bit stagnant, but the other areas have become filled with even more champs. Top and mid now follow what you talk about with adc and support.

You leave out Sivir who was almost never played in season 3, but is now staple. Taric still is rarely played as a support except for Gosu Pepper then or now. You left out that top lane was always a group of 3 champs that rotated based on team and picks. Mid was usually the same 4-5 champs back then and lee sin was in practically every game if he wasn't banned. You can try to push that bot lane was diverse and good, but no where else was and now thats been changed. There are more champs there that are played now than before.

CrispCrustaceanJul 6, 20157 votes

Only one thing must be said here.... AP MasterYi

Cringes

DeusVultJul 6, 20151 votes

Release XinZhao

Release Volibear

S1 Evelynn

Garen Darius JarvanIV Riven

item 3111 item 3071 item 3035

OHHHHH GAWD

ChaosThiefJul 6, 20157 votes

Old AP Nidalee

Chills run down spine

Remlap1223Jul 6, 20151 votes

Yes. Anyone who whines about Nid's spears now doesn't know about the true horror that was pre-rework Nidalee.

junglerboy16Jul 6, 20156 votes

To be fair, they took off maybe 200 damage between base and scaling nerfs, she still hurts like a mother. the real nerf was making them match the hitbox so that her ICBM spears actually matched the visual instead of being an invisible tree trunk behind a spear tip.

Guy Fox TeemoJul 8, 20151 votes

ha "200" damage off lol, her used to literally actually 1 shot someone with like 2 items. No joke, no exaggeration, you could take a tank down to 25% health, a squishy with a spear thrown half way would instantly die. they nerfed the damage by like half.

junglerboy16Jul 8, 20151 votes

but they also made it so that it reached max damage much more quickly, so in all but the most extreme cases where you hit with an absolutely max range spear (as in last unit of the hit box), it deals about 200 less damage until uber late game where the AP ratio nerf is a bit more noticeable.

Zair UmbrasJul 8, 20151 votes

Ehhhhh. Debatable. It was 125 damage off the base and about 42.5% of AP reduction. With about 500 AP, those tree trunk sized spears did over 300 more damage. lol.

junglerboy16Jul 8, 20151 votes

they only dealt that much more damage in the extreme case where you tipped the enemy with the last couple units of the spear since it took all 1500 range to hit max damage instead of maxing at 1300. At 1300 range (about where most spears hit unless they're invisible) before the nerf, its base damage increased by 1% per 6.5 units capping at 150% increased damage at 1500 range, so hitting at 1300 range would increase its damage by ~119% damage increase, or 219% total damage, where currently it increases by 2% for every 7.75 maxing at 1300 range, so at 1300 range it deals 200% increased damage, or 300% total.

219% of the old damage was 503+142% AP

300% of the new damage is 450+120% AP

Outside all but a few fringe cases, her spears actually hit almost as hard with only about 200 damage off at any given rank unless you hit with an absolutely max ranged spear (as in full 1500 range barely touching the enemy it hits).

Zair UmbrasJul 8, 20151 votes

Well, considering how easy it was to land a 1.5k range spear... I mean, the thing was incredibly wide and had a tendency to nail just about everything. They not only changed the width, but back then, hitboxes were out of wack.

qetzelJul 6, 20155 votes

From now on, can we call it prework?

Ancestor007Jul 6, 20152 votes

Anyone remembering Tankerina? Or ap Yi? Beta Tf? Release Xin Zhao? Beta Jax? Post- Rework Evelynn(when she became good not awful), Lb before silence removal, Kassadin in season 2,3, release Yasuo... oh, and pre-nerf Ezreal. That 1:1 heal ap ratio on w

137434Jul 6, 20151 votes

Don't forget release Zyra, although that was quickly fixed. Pre-rework Eve when she still had a stun was also frustrating, which is why she was pushed into a position where "Eve tier" was created.

SatedCancerJul 6, 20156 votes

Kassadin Season 2 lol this guy was a living nightmare for your bot lane.

Troy242621Jul 6, 20151 votes

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Season 2 lol this guy was a living nightmare for your bot lane.

XinZhao Release. Where were your gods then?

SatedCancerJul 6, 20151 votes

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Release. Where were your gods then?

Release Leblanc was so broken she had to be hotfixed and everything including her base and scaling on every ability was nerfed lol.

DirkTarTarJul 6, 20155 votes

Orianna on release... any memories? omfg it was awful

Zair UmbrasJul 7, 20151 votes

AP Yi. Existed from Day 1 and was cancer for three seasons.

DirkTarTarJul 6, 20156 votes

Season 2 was the golden age lmao Atmog's Tanky DPS Killing Machines Kassadin with 700 range Q with a 2.5 second silence and a medium range riftwalk available ALL THE TIME

Twitch could go invisible across the entire map and blow people up like a monster

Zed didn't exist

Evelynn was garbage

Shaco was somewhere in the jungle waiting to stab you in the butt hole...

and Lee Sin was still played every single game

oh and being a support sucked absolute balls

DomainSpecificJul 6, 20157 votes

Shaco with the double buff gank when you were level 1. The memories.

DirkTarTarJul 6, 20154 votes

forreal... he was level 3 before the minions even reached lane

ChaoticPineconeJul 6, 20151 votes

Being a support actually took some skill. "How do i be relevent with only boots, Philo Stone, and HoG".

Aeolian MelodiesJul 8, 20151 votes

Actually it didn't because the answer was "herp derp spam consumables mindlessly to give and deny vision"

Zair UmbrasJul 6, 20151 votes

What..? Evelynn was garbage? She was pick or ban against Alex Ich because her ult did 50% of your max health with a full build that you easily got, plus another 30% from DFG and her E did magical with a 1 to 1 scaling... I mean... She was a total rapist back then and took the biggest nerfs that anyone could have EVER taken. Her R had its ratio halved, then it was range nerfed AND changed to CURRENT health without ANY kind of minimum damage, the only current health damage without a minimum. If you have 1 health, any current health will kill you EXCEPT for Eve's R. lol. Those nerfs forced her into the jungle since she lost burst potential for S3, then her E was changed to physical to make people never be able to go AP Eve.

I should note, Karthus was picked nearly every game back then and one of the highlights of S2 World's was Alex Ich's Evelynn ripping an enemy Karthus to SHREDS.

DirkTarTarJul 7, 20151 votes

I think you are thinking about an entirely different time of evelynn lol she was the joke troll pick for most of season 2 because she had a 39% win rate

Zair UmbrasJul 7, 20151 votes

https://youtu.be/Lm7tsPBUkbg?t=24m31s

That's M5 vs IG in the quarter finals of Season 2 World Championship. Eve was a legit mid laner and was hardcore nerfed right after Worlds because of how powerful she was.

SouL1essJul 7, 20151 votes

You mean how a designated ganker with an invis ability did her job

And got immediately gutted because she was actually decent at her job?

Zair UmbrasJul 7, 20151 votes

Well, to be honest, she was too good, which is why everyone was fine with her losing half her ratio and a bit of range on her R since it was too powerful. AoE 50% max health nuke that can hit multiple people was a bit overly powerful. Current health nerf was only overkill because they never gave the damn thing a minimum damage. Only other ability in the entire game without a minimum is Elise's Q and that's because it also does a BASE damage, like J4's passive.

She was one of the few mid laners that ganked incredibly well though, like Kassadin. Karthus was usually a good counter to things like that since he had omni-presence and could 1v1 most of the ganking mids, but Ich proved time and time again that Eve was too powerful.

Aeolian MelodiesJul 8, 20151 votes

you' re talking about post-rework eve

S2 was pre-rework post-we-nerf-you-because-we-explicitly-don't-want-you-to-be-played eve.

Zair UmbrasJul 8, 20151 votes

Her rework hit a few months before the end. She was reworked in July, season started November 29th, practically December, it ended November 12th of the following year. For the first 7 months, she was trash-ish, but I mean, when it actually mattered, near the end, she was broken as hell and took the nerf bat right as the season ended.

Killer of PorosJul 6, 20155 votes

DrMundo misses league of item 3083

RockmanJul 6, 20154 votes

You didn't even play S2 if you're gonna say that shit.

It might not of had alot of viability, but it was balanced.

Shrek LuigiJul 6, 20154 votes

League of Force Of Nature

Ancestor007Jul 7, 20151 votes

FoN Heart of gold BB

Mirage SeraphJul 6, 20153 votes

Pfft, League of Cleavers? League of BotRK more like it... Even the AP supports were buying it. Well to be honest that entire year was silly.

ComannderShepardJul 6, 20152 votes

I'd say S5 is more balanced than the others, and it shows in the LCS. In S2/3 (cant remember which) every game was the exact SAME. Literally there were 10 champs that were played total during the finals and it was so boring.

At least now you see A LOT more diversity in champions because there are different viable combinations

Meep ManJul 6, 20151 votes

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I'd say S5 is more balanced than the others, and it shows in the LCS. In S2/3 (cant remember which) every game was the exact SAME. Literally there were 10 champs that were played total during the finals and it was so boring.

At least now you see A LOT more diversity in champions because there are different viable combinations

Shen basically

ComannderShepardJul 6, 20151 votes

i dont know man, ive seen vlad, rumble, maokai, lulu, naut top. Ezreal is pretty much the mage this patch with runeglaive but I've also seen J4 and viktor and varus mid as well

ModWulf HelhammerJul 6, 20151 votes

Don't forget the return of Urgot to both mid and high level AD carry play

ComannderShepardJul 7, 20152 votes

I know right? And he was nerfed pretty hard a few times.

I remember when Riot said they wanted to bring more strategic diversity into league and a lot of people just called BS; but I'd say now they did a pretty good job keeping their word

Ancestor007Jul 7, 20151 votes

Remember Urgot- Tarlic Bot?