Yet hes never going to get nerfed because hashinshin still says hes weak?
Also kha jumped back to straight up broken tier again thanks to passive buff, every kha i see in diamond since the patch is back to 1 shotting with a single item, thanks riot we totally needed more burst with auto attacks + duskblade from him /s
Hayaishi27 votesJax is ridiculous, not weak enough early/mid for how hard he scales.
Häxel4 votesjax is basicly an adc (without range). if you and your jungler not punishs him early it is kidna a mistake. Also even in the lategame he has clear ways how to counter him that people seem not to understand.
SociaI Justice20 votesthis is what silver players actually believe, there are people rocking jax with 80% wr in high challenger, those top 200 players must really just not understand how to counter him.
IG Ziko7 votesAnd that's why he is 100% pick or ban in pro play with 90% win rate. OH,... wait...
SociaI Justice7 votesits almost like there is a differences between playing with 4 people you live and play with 8 hours a day to pay your bills and 4 people you have never met before ... oh you are also one of the silver players that thinks pro players are actually better at the game than top challengers rather than just having better team communication.
IG Ziko4 votesYou just don't have the balls to say that he has counter play and u can't play against him. If he had none he could be at least picked there (even nerfed Kha was picked more than him) and he could have over 60% win rate in soloQ. Yes, I'm silver but at least I use my real account for boards. You can be Bronze-Gold and pretend to know everything and you can be a challenger, but I really don't care about it.
SociaI Justice2 votesthe fact you turned "you need a team in voice chat that communicates well together to counter jax" into "git gud lmao u fukin shitter i know better than challenger players, im silver btw" is impressive.
IG Ziko3 votesSo why he loses 48% of soloQ games? Because in these games 5 people r sitting near each other and communicating to stop him, right? You make stupid statements and want to declare them as facts. Your logic is way below silver.
SociaI Justice2 voteshuh ... i wonder why ... could it be because the people playing him are bad? like huh ... i wonder if there is a reason for why the best jax players have a 80% win ratio against other top players ... its not like jax is stronger than the other champions ... must be just because the jax players are 1000 times more skilled ... yeah fam.
MLDzXnRRR1 votes[{quoted}](name=SociaI Justice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W12rXiEe,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-28T20:15:51.236+0000)
huh ... i wonder why ... could it be because the people playing him are bad? like huh ... i wonder if there is a reason for why the best jax players have a 80% win ratio against other top players ... its not like jax is stronger than the other champions ... must be just because the jax players are 1000 times more skilled ... yeah fam.
See how good Jax is in e-sports - not good vs people that are not brainless. It is problematic when the enemy Jax or anyone on the enemy team gets fed and 1v5, but it happens. In a 5v5 he is just not good, supports wreck him, tanks CC him, he can't get to the squishies, can't kill tanks in 5v5 before the backline kills him and his team; he is something like Trynda or Nasus - trying to backdoor...
SociaI Justice2 voteslook at how braindead the best players in the world are T: plat player
Häxel3 votesthis is not what just silver people believe. This is what the high challenger people who actualy play jax believe. Play it yoursefl, maybe you will get it. If he is so op you would climb with your 80% winrate from silver to challenger don't cha think?
The here mentioned hashinshin also thinks this and palys around master/high dia. He does not even paly that much jax currently since like a year and he still can beat jax in his games every time.
But good that you can't take it and say people defending jax are just silvers while not ahvign the gut to post with a lv 30 account. Instead using the lv 28 accoutn who abuses yi and graves, FCKN graves and then complaining about jax counterplay.
"its almost like there is a differences between playing with 4 people you live and play with 8 hours a day to pay your bills and 4 people you have never met before ..."
yea, they now how to paly against it. You act like challenrgs are all jsut mighty gods but they train their own roles, alsog et autofileld there they loose lanes ofcourse and don't know the weaknesses of champions outside their own lane. An adc ofcourse just knwos the countermatchups,s trenghts and weaknesses of the adc class. Thats why they cried a lot then mages came bot cause they did not know much how to paly against it.
SociaI Justice2 votesthis is what silver people actually believe.
If he is so op you would climb with your 80% winrate from silver to challenger don't cha think?
would probably take me a hundred ich games to git gud at jax to the point where I can actually play him to a decent extent, when it comes to challenger I will never have the mechanics for that as i am simply too old but would probably make it to somewhere mid diaish.
The here mentioned hashinshin also thinks this and palys around master/high dia. He does not even paly that much jax currently since like a year and he still can beat jax in his games every time.
probably because his second most played champion is the strongest laner in the game rn and counters jax
yea, they now how to paly against it. You act like challenrgs are all jsut mighty gods but they train their own roles, alsog et autofileld there they loose lanes ofcourse and don't know the weaknesses of champions outside their own lane.
yeah the occasional autofill isn't the thing getting jax players a 80% win ratio in challenger, and whether they know the weaknesses of champions outside their own lane or not is irrelevant as its top laners getting their asses kicked not as much rest of the team.
not ahvign the gut to post with a lv 30 account. Instead using the lv 28 accoutn who abuses yi and graves
http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=nice%20table http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=bestevaineeu
here you go if you want to see my level 30 accounts, and i play graves adc not jungle, its fucking trash lmao
SwiftKitten881 votesjax is basicly an adc (without range). if you and your jungler not punishs him early it is kidna a mistake. Also even in the lategame he has clear ways how to counter him that people seem not to understand.
ADC arn't tanky and immune to damage while auto you to death
Häxel1 votesyea. tell that to kai'sa with invis, a giant shield plus giant dash, a nuke ability, a dps ability and a movementspeed and attackspeed boost ability. Xayah is during Ult not targetable and roots you off. Jax also is not immune to aoe dmg, just reduces it a bit. and he has to get clsoe to you. Ana dc should pretty easy eb able to kite him. For exampel can jhin just runa roudn him while auting. And adcs are especially tanky and immune to dmg as soon as a support is enar them.
Luigi Tortellini4 votesThat's the thing, he doesn't really scale well anymore. In Riot's quest to make League into a 10 minute game, they've completely fucked up every champs power curve, especially ADCs. Jax used to have it ROUGH early game but he was greatly rewarded for making it to mid and late game.
Now Jax is a lane powerhouse. As soon as you get sheen you're dangerous and once you hit 6 as long as you're not behind you've basically already hit lategame. When everyone has 4-6 items though, whilst he used to be god now he's extremely lackluster. His ideal lategame is being really tanky and doing a lot of damage, but no one in league is tanky now.
chimp magnet17 votesHonestly i would say to nerf his Ult resistances, his Ult CD and remove the aoe damage reduction while using E.
Nanuk Pihoqahiak37 votesWhat makes zero sense is how he spins his weapon over his head, yet still autos you. Lol.
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What makes zero sense is how he spins his weapon over his head, yet still autos you. Lol.
Mhm. Tru. But. This game is nowhere near reality. Or they could simply disable jax auto atacks during E, but that would probably kill him and Hashinshin would go crazy
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesIt's the same thing Fiora, Irelia, and Yi (Three other champions of Jax's class) have to do during their defensive abilities. They stop attacking and moving to go defensive. Jax'd just stop attacking.
CIayman5 votesYou know what else makes zero sense? Magic, dragons, tiny furry men riding lizards, 80 year old women with knives for legs...
DuskDaUmbreon11 votesExcept all of those follow some kind of logical rule.
Magic always works the same way. Dragons work the same way every time. Skaarl doesn't sometimes stop being immortal, nor does Kled get to keep riding Skaarl after he loses her. Camille doesn't get to walk and attack at the same time, and the only exception to that it follows a clear animation that shows she's jumping back on one leg while sweeping with the other.
Nowhere in League, besides with Jax, do you have someone attacking with a weapon that's actively being used for something else. When Fiora uses her W, she can't attack during it. Ashe can't keep attacking during the animation for W, either. Yasuo can't Q and auto at the same time.
Everything else maxes sense. Except for Jax attacking with a weapon that he's doing something else with.
ZackTheWaffleMan5 votesFiora can W while she uses Q, though.
Cloud27314 votesPeople need to stop treating words from high elo players like gospel. They're all biased just like the rest of us. When you're balancing a champ just ignore what everyone has to say and stick to win rates, pick rates, etc. That's the only accurate and non biased info out there.
SociaI Justice5 votesis hashinshin considered high elo now lmao
Leetri4 votesApparently he was in Masters last month, so if that's not high elo then what is? Masters is the top 0,05% of ranked players.
SociaI Justice1 voteswhen the champion you have one tricked for 10 years gets buffed to broken as fuck status you climb elo whether you are good or not.
Sharpest glasses2 votesHis pick wasnt buffed. Jax is op, but wasnt buffed.
DimitrisTheGreat2 votesPeople need to stop treating words from high elo players like gospel. They're all biased just like the rest of us. When you're balancing a champ just ignore what everyone has to say and stick to win rates, pick rates, etc. That's the only accurate and non biased info out there.
Yeah but the thing is that most people can't analyze data correctly. And balancing was pretty much always a joke. When a new skin comes out for a popular champion , that specific champion gets buffed. It has always been like that. At least since season 4 that I started.
SociaI Justice12 votesi have heard complaints about riot balancing around low and high elo but balancing around hashinshin is something new lmao
charge attack5 votesLegit. Half my games devolve into “will the enemy Jax 1v4 our backline before our Irelia 1v4s their backline”?
Solo carry btw. Bruisers suck btw. Mages and ADCs are still OP btw - hashinshin
Sharpest glasses6 votesi mean :
he's right about mages (but its more about itemization 
)
Adc as class arent op... but 
bruisers arent so strong (yeah some were overbuffed 
)
OHminus10 votesHashinshin says 48% wr OMEGALUL
im genuinely interested where he gets his stats from
AirKingNeo2 votesCitation?
Colonel J8 votesHashinshin is low iq.
AMADEUSdotEXE13 votes[{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W12rXiEe,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-28T01:21:23.033+0000)
Hashinshin is low iq.
He was in masters last month what rank are you ?
DaCurtis1 votesHashinshin unironically converses with 13 year old girls, that's the type of iq you're defending fyi.
AirKingNeo1 votesCitation?
DaCurtis1 voteshttps://twitter.com/_ImDye/status/1028740471630249985 Here friendo.
AirKingNeo1 votesthose are out of context and there's no evidence of them being true.
Dat Kat8 votesJax is a disgusting freelo champ, something needs to be done. I'm pretty sure riot themselves are pretty aware of how easy the champ works, and there barely is any counter play to his basic kit. He tanks hard, bursts hard, splits hard. Absolutely disgusting. He better receives a full rework in season 9. Because another season with this point and click, basic, plain champ would be disastrous.
Ragnaveil3 votesHis kit is honestly from an era long gone. One of the few champs that could have stood against him even now would have been old Aatrox. The other issue is Conqueror being the one rune entire problem solved for most bruisers. I hope in the preseason they rework Conqueror to give AD during a fight (like fervor), and damage reduction, since its the one thing that hurts bruisers the most because they lack defenses. If they build tank, they lose a boatload of damage, and with a meta around damage, its not even worth the investment in some cases. Im not even asking for a large amount of damage reduction. Just something so bruisers can survive ADs to do their job, but not be a second answer to tanks every bloody time.
Oakleaf Ranger1 votesSo fiora can become super cancer again?
Conqueror might just need more work or something else but going back to fervor is not the answer.
GayFluffyUnicorn4 votesThen you nerf fiora. End of story. This is why this game is so shit exactly because of that line of thought. We could improve gameplay of ten champs yeh but there is ONE that could be op so we do nothing.
Ragnaveil2 votesShe's already cancer in the first place. What difference would this make lmfao.
Oakleaf Ranger1 votesShe is actually bearable now and now over the top like before. Arguably even bad but I on a personal note I rather not see it risked by buffing her and ending up in a state lile before.
Ragnaveil2 votesher true damage has such a high base....cant they just lower it? Its not like her R grants her all four.
Sharpest glasses3 votesbefore changing conqueror, you need to adress Tanks. Conqueror was create for solving this issue.
Gabresol3 votesThe reason why conquerer is so good on Jax is, that unlike some other uses, he has no true damage in his kit. CHampions like Camille, Fiora and Yasuo who already have true damage (Yasuo builds IE) do not get that much bonus damage out of it since they can't convert their true damage into more true damage. The rune is still the way to go (maybe not on Camille especially), but they loose damage in comparison to Jax. Yasuo already dislikes the new IE since having 50% armor pen after his ult lowers bonus the true damage would deal even more.
Jax only has tons of physical and magical damage (with high base numbers) which all gets the convertion to true damage.