Janna is now at a 61% win rate

BALDG1VEN BOOMER·Sep 27, 2017·111 votes·7,601 views

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Janna/

Currently 19k games aggregated after patch 7.19 and she's sitting at a 61% win rate.

Simple solution would've been to nerf coin, ardent and her shield duration but I guess you like to make things more complicated than they should be.

Slapping cdr on to Spellthiefs did nothing btw.

Edit: 20k games, 59% now.

Edit 2: Hot fixed.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/gikJEw03-janna-hotfix-context

130 Comments

Celestial Lion12Sep 27, 201712 votes

Also just checked according to lolking janna is at a 53% winrate not a 61%

SqkergSep 29, 20174 votes

MUH CIRCLEJERK

FairyfleurSep 27, 201710 votes

PLEASE wait atleast a day before you start complaining about Janna.

Emelie CauchemarSep 27, 201737 votes

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PLEASE wait atleast a day before you start complaining about Janna.

PRe sure Janna's been complained about for the last 7 months.

[sg-lux-2]

FairyfleurSep 27, 201718 votes

She had some pretty massive changes; it's best to wait a few days for the winrate to even out before you can analyze it.

Emelie CauchemarSep 27, 201710 votes

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She had some pretty massive changes; it's best to wait a few days for the winrate to even out before you can analyze it.

If it's still staying above 57% wr after 20,000 games it's still too strong lololol.

Celestial Lion12Sep 27, 20175 votes

thats a pretty small sample im giving it till friday before i make any kind of decision

Pale PirateSep 27, 20174 votes

So it goes down by 2% every hour? Dude, are you insane, soon it will be reaching release-bard level winrates. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Emelie CauchemarSep 27, 20174 votes

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So it goes down by 2% every hour? Dude, are you insane, soon it will be reaching release-bard level winrates. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Winrates on weaker champs are supposed to drop rapidly if they were inherently stronger the patch before, not sit where they were originally at for 20,000+ games and then bounce up a bit then go back to the same exact location.

This is extremely noticeable when you compare it to champs like Nunu/Ivern/Jhin/Varus/Zac/Malzahar/Graves/Gragas/Hecarim/Maokai/Rengar/Lulu/Thresh/Tahm Kench/Leblanc/Ahri/Yasuo/Taliyah/Cass/Azir/Ryze/Shaco/Yi/Lee Sin/Caitlyn(( Whose now at a 44% wr from a 55% wr btw, and it dropped significantly within the first day.))

So yeah, I highly doubt Janna out of all the champions is just going gradually dip down to 49% wr after 800,000 games. After about 20,000-30,000 games if she's sitting at a 55-6% winrate she's going to stay at a 55-56% wr which means the nerfs effectively did nothing, and actually probably buffed her in the long run.

TRSproSep 27, 20178 votes

I don't know why the forums are like this. You can't just nerf a support item, since there are literally only 3 to choose from. Janna isn't the only one who uses ancient coin. Same with item 3504 . Ap supports use these items, maybe instead of nerfing supports again there should be a focus on being more interactive like say Rakan ?

BALDG1VEN BOOMERSep 28, 20172 votes

Right, except coin is bought on every support, no exceptions.

There's literally no options, it's crowding out options.

SqkergSep 29, 20171 votes

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Right, except coin is bought on every support, no exceptions.

Ok, dude I get you're trying to make a point... but that's simply a lie.

Icathian CreedSep 28, 20172 votes

Absolutely love Rakan. Play him tank, you cant kill him, play him ap, you cant kill his allies, play him actives, wombo combos

Icathian CreedSep 27, 20177 votes

simple solution actually is ban her :P

Zone of EndlessSep 27, 201755 votes

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simple solution actually is ban her :P

banning shouldnt be a long term solution to deal with OP champ

xJLx MCHammerSep 27, 201721 votes

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banning shouldnt be a long term solution to deal with OP champ

Kass Season 1-5, it worked alright. 90% ban rate

Zone of EndlessSep 27, 201726 votes

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Kass Season 1-5, it worked alright. 90% ban rate

I said banning Shouldn't be a long term solution to deal with OP champ not that it doesn't work.

MelledoneusSep 28, 20178 votes

Riot is just making it easier for people to choose their bans. Quit being ungrateful!

######/s

RainbowIceeSep 27, 20178 votes

it's the start of a long term solution. See what happened to yasuo? riot said maybe we should rework him. Ban janna enough and riot will be like hmmm maybe there's a problem.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20177 votes

Janna has a win rate 58.91% for Platinum+ players

i clicked on the link you provided and its shows that win rate not 61% and oh since the patch hasnt been out a full day yet... the #s are gonna change alot as you check it... and also the sample size so far is limited...

just lets see a day or two in

BALDG1VEN BOOMERSep 27, 20172 votes

Look at the first graph and in case you didn't see scroll down and look at the right it literally says

"League of Legends Patch 7.19

Last 7 Days Platinum+ Players

19,162

Janna Games Analyzed

Current Patch 7.19 Matches Only"

Also 19k games is a fair sample size to how things will trend out at that point.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20171 votes

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Look at the first graph

look at the over all win rate... for this patch only which is 58.91%

https://imgur.com/a/fJ1io

BALDG1VEN BOOMERSep 27, 20171 votes

That's the starting point where she was at at the beginning of the day, look over to 9/28 because that's where she stands atm and at the end of this day and that will be used as a indicator.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20173 votes

now at 230 pm checking the same source again

her win rate is at 57.54%

so you said was 61%, then it dropped to 58.66 at 2pm on my previous comment to this. and 30 mins later as more games have been played its dropped again to 57.54%

so since your post her win rate has gone down 3.5%

BALDG1VEN BOOMERSep 27, 20173 votes

That's around the same time the hot fix went live.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20173 votes

and as i type this reply its is now at 56.8% win rate

so like i said just give a moment to settle before losing your shit and knee jerk reaction .

so from 61% to 56.8% .... in a few hours time when the amount of games played has nearly doubled

BALDG1VEN BOOMERSep 27, 20174 votes

Right because she was.. y'know.. hotfixed

Also I wasn't "losing my shit" maybe you should change your tone of reading. If anything I play Janna pretty frequently and would love to play my champion again without it being perma.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 27, 20171 votes

Singed didn't even have 10 hours before he got hotfixed with sejuani. But hey its janna.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20172 votes

hey guess what janna got a hot fix a lil bit ago ...

post made by riot

Thund3r Ang3lSep 27, 20172 votes

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Janna has a win rate 58.91% for Platinum+ players

i clicked on the link you provided and its shows that win rate not 61% and oh since the patch hasnt been out a full day yet... the #s are gonna change alot as you check it... and also the sample size so far is limited...

just lets see a day or two in

Okey, AND?! 57.91% winrate HELLO?

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20173 votes

jwebb0113 (NA) - 3 minutes ago now at 230 pm checking the same source again

her win rate is at 57.54%

so you said was 61%, then it dropped to 58.66 at 2pm on my previous comment to this. and 30 mins later as more games have been played its dropped again to 57.54%

so since your post her win rate has gone down 3.5%

like i said give a moment... see how it ends up settling. cuz as the day goes and she is played in more games it will change. im not saying she dont need to be addressed im just saying dont have knee jerk reactions

ThilmerSep 27, 20171 votes

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Janna has a win rate 58.91% for Platinum+ players

You say this like if 58% winrate wasn't a problem.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20172 votes

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You say this like if 58% winrate wasn't a problem.

once again... lets wait and see how her #s settle after the patch is out.

right now its down to 57.35% as of today when the op made his post it was 61% so just as of today as more games have been played janna's win rate for this patch( today) has dropped ...

once there is a day or two , three out with the changes and then make a judgement on her rework/nerfs

PopcornBunniSep 27, 20174 votes

Guess I'm a part of that 39%. I can't get a win with her post-update for shit.

ModAcademy KaynSep 27, 20173 votes

We really doing this again? We really making a jump judgement on a Champion's state less than 2 days after she got major power shifts in her kit? You don't see any problem with this?

Voluug13Sep 28, 20173 votes

Can we let the meta change before kneecapping a symptom champion? Janna doesnt need to be Sejuani'ed.

We are at a short time away from new season and likely new meta with massive game-wide changes along the way, nerfing Janna now its silly and ridiculous.

Blue MystifiedSep 27, 20172 votes

three options:

nerf janna now
mildly nerf coin, buff spellthief to make it viable (Young Generation played spellthief lulu and actually won against coin which amazed me, can't remember the last time that happened)
redesign the support items

PennsSep 27, 201721 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/6a6345ef28a135b206ee2c03e095dee5.png go ahead, buff spellthiefs hehe

Blue MystifiedSep 27, 20175 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/6a6345ef28a135b206ee2c03e095dee5.png go ahead, buff spellthiefs hehe

okay well maaaaaaaaybe just nerf coin then :P

what wouldn't surprise me: Riot has now cornered supports down to a single SS, exhaust, and you can't buy support items unless you take exhaust. because THAT makes sense

SweedishGunnerSep 27, 201711 votes

Back away foul demon! That combo should be tossed into the depths for eternity.

Dextix LTSep 27, 201736 votes

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/012/092/f36.jpg

Zed geniusSep 27, 20171 votes

ardent and janna buffs certainly did not help

FairyfleurSep 27, 20176 votes

Ardent was never buffed, they removed the on-hit heal.

They might have made it scale better and added the functionality of the buff to the user, but this was still a net nerf to the item.

Risk of FateSep 27, 20171 votes

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UnvictusSep 27, 20176 votes

Janna cock blocks Kat so hard, what are you smoking?

EndlessCycleSep 27, 20171 votes

Its Riot's hard-on to buff a champion when they nerf them, which usually ends up being a net gain for the champion. This was one case WHERE SHE WAS JUST STRONG ACROSS THE BOARD AND DIDNT NEED COMPENSATION.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 27, 20172 votes

She needed to be changed, not just nerfed. She gained some interactivity, while they nerfed the more offensive parts of her kit.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 27, 20171 votes

Wish they would do this to other champs instead of dumpstering them. But riot loves their cancer botlanes. adcs and enchanter supps are never allowed to just get nerfed.