Vayne is going to need massive nerfs if Pink wards don't reveal invisible champs next season

FalconPawwwwnch·Oct 11, 2016·60 votes·3,684 views

That was one of the only ways to counter her late game

80 Comments

VeltoxOct 11, 20168 votes

Yay?Every tank in this game hates playing against a good Vayne and she is retarded vs everyone with the new build unless u manage to shut her down so hard she can't even get out of base.

Serika ZeroOct 11, 20161 votes

yeh, except: Alistar coz he shits on her Amumu coz his range for ult is huge Ekko coz tank ekko is still a thing Malphite coz the only way she is going to survive is using flash, and she can't flash more than once every 5 mins while u can ult like every minute Maokai point and click snare followed by knock up and dmg reduction Nautilus point and click knock-up, then easy snare and slow Rammus coz he sooooooo afraid of adcs ~~ok, she's a fighter, ignore~~ Warwick point and click suppress while his team kills her Zac engages from 2000 range over walls, plus shits on her in team fights due to her low range and his ult bounce

yes, some tanks like Shivana, Singed, Darius have troubles with Vayne. But like half of them are fine

VeltoxOct 11, 201613 votes

You forgot item 3139 is a thing for most of your list and there's a high chance she got some peel from her team.

LankPantsOct 11, 20164 votes

I think I've mostly come to the conclusion that Scimitar is the main reason why tanks are generally not great right now. It's pretty dumb that ADCs give up nothing for the QQS effect. In previous seasons if you wanted QSS you lost a slot so buying a QQS actually had a tradeoff. Now ADCs just get a super efficient upgrade to the strongest item effect in the game. If Riot want to see tanks competitively again they need to remove or at least cripple this item.

You can even see this from which tanks are kinda playable right now. Ali's super good, his CC cannot be removed by QSS. Braum is strong, knockup on ult. Zac has a lot of knockups. Before them Grag relied entirely on displaces. Champs like Amumu or Sej don't even get looked at since an ADC can just pick up Merc and ignore their cleansable engage.

LankPantsOct 11, 20162 votes

coz he sooooooo afraid of adcs

Yeh, his taunt doesn't disable silver bolts. If you taunt a Vayne you normally just lose half your HP in the duration.

Serika ZeroOct 12, 20161 votes

do the math yourself and see how much damage silver bolts do, make is so that vayne has 2.5 as (that's 2.5 attacks per second)

then also do the math on how much damage she takes while doing that rejoice when you actually DO THE MATH AND SEE THE NUMBERS ;)

LankPantsOct 12, 20161 votes

Vayne has other damage too nimrod. Silver bolts is just an OP ability on an already OP kit. The slut just needs to be gutted.

it be lìke thatOct 11, 20162 votes

i main zac and are you kidding me? she can q out of your e easily and even if she cant, she can e you while you are in the air still. vayne is my most hated adc to fight as him, lucian is a very distant second.

you need to wait for her to e someone, ult then as soon as she shows after her q, you e and r.

Serika ZeroOct 12, 20161 votes

and who's fault is that you are jumping on them from places they got vision?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? oooooooooooooh right

it be lìke thatOct 12, 20161 votes

theres a fucking giant shadow where you are landing?!!?...i dont even...are you serious?

Serika ZeroOct 12, 20161 votes

because the vayne player is watching HER MODEL instead of the enemeis... which might and will try to shot skill shots or stuff towards her

you serious? the attention range users (mages, adcs, etc) are paying most of the time is not on their model, but on their surroundings that's why ganks over walls are HIGHLY EFFICIENT, we will usually react when you are in our field of vision, and if you were there for only like 1 second or half a second, most of us don't have the reflexes to insta flash away. take into account that we ain't playing on a 7ping server like lcs people, its obvious why its efficient

it be lìke thatOct 12, 20161 votes

I think im done speaking to you now. if you do not have the reflexes to press "q" in the 0.8 seconds you get to see that shadow, may i suggest shuffleboard instead?

Serika ZeroOct 12, 20161 votes

a) you don't pay attention to your model b) you somehow were paying attention to your model and notice the small shadow -> you press Q simple right? well, you got around 1 second or less to press q. average human reaction time is 0.4 seconds. vayne q has travel time that's roughly ~0.6 seconds gone to reaction time and travel time

then there is latency, which can add to the reaction time and spell activate time. Why both? because you will notice it later and your input is taken on later. Assuming someone has 50 ping, that's 0.1s delay. Assuming they got 75 ping. That's 0.15 delay. And so on, you get the point.

Given all this, the "vayne" player has ~0.3 seconds to notice you incoming as zac in non LAN tournaments. Given that you are korean in terms of reaction time, you can increase that to like 0.5 by reducing your reaction time to half.

Sry, but I rarely see adcs notice things that fast in such a short term. This includes any adc (or mage). And that's for any elo. Fine, I never played in diamond or challanger or master. But as far as plat and below goes, I can vouch for that on euw server. So, sry, not all vayne players are gona be some korean challenger that can dodge out of zac's stuff. Even more giving his absurd hitbox

DroogzyOct 12, 20161 votes

Solid players in higher rank play have that reaction time to be able to tumble out in less then half a second with extreme ease. And realistically, a full charged Zac is more along 1.5 second notice before he lands the knock up. More then enough time to react with a tumble.

For those that are lower rank/higher ping. Well there's a reason why this game isn't balanced around them, were that the case, Vayne would be described as OP when she's really not.

I'm silver and I can still react in time to seeing Zac's shadow appearing near me. You're really overstating how difficult it is to tumble out of it. Even if you want to argue this point further, the kicker is even if Zac lands on Vayne, which should never happen. Vayne still can condemn the Zac away from her.

Serika ZeroOct 13, 20161 votes

after she falls down from the double knock-ups of Zac. Vayne "technically" can also condemn Diana out of her ultimate. This has yet to happen to me in either normal or ranked. And my Elo is plat. That means AT BEST, there's only 5-7% players in the entire game who would be able to do that.

TyroneWatermelonOct 11, 20163 votes

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Yay?Every tank in this game hates playing against a good and she is retarded vs everyone with the new build unless u manage to shut her down so hard she can't even get out of base.

There is a bad Vayne?

MiudmonOct 12, 20161 votes

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There is a bad Vayne?

Yeah, the ones that somehow always ends up on your team

Kingdom CornOct 12, 20163 votes

not tanks only lol she can 1 auto any squishy late game with her tumble.....

Baron PerenoldeOct 11, 20166 votes

Just revert the Q buff she got.

Kirius DarkOct 11, 20164 votes

I just wish that Warwick's scent revealed stealth. Doesnt make sense that someone is low then if they go into stealth the smell of blood is instantly lost

KeepeOct 11, 20162 votes

What is this, Dota? Who do you think Warwick is, Bloodseeker? D<

Jeddy017Oct 12, 20161 votes

Not like that would matter anyway since Warwick is getting reworked.

ChaddyFantomeOct 11, 20163 votes

Translation: Golly Gee willikers! Vayne might not suck now and actually be worth using outside of yoloQ!

Akali is SO HOTOct 11, 201632 votes

Vayne's pretty op atm

ChaddyFantomeOct 11, 20166 votes

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Vayne's pretty op atm

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/02/028e5d3a9072cdd5bd82b591ca21741d15fa185f41d3719d29e64369316141f4.jpg She hasn't been since the ADC rework

LimrickOct 11, 201623 votes

Her new build with the latest buffs made her stupid strong. It's just old Vayne the tankbuster but she has stupid burst too now.

Only Play DariusOct 11, 201621 votes

Ironically the only ADC who didn't build crit is now the only ADC who is doing so

normie sIayerOct 11, 201611 votes

Vayne item 3087 item 3031 item 3078 *tumbles "heard you were talkin shit" *dead

Legacy HydralphaOct 12, 20161 votes

KogMaw Oh fuck. Braum item 3143 item 3075 item 3401 item 3110 Oh fuck.

Masala ChaiOct 11, 20163 votes

Kalista ?

Only Play DariusOct 11, 20167 votes

She's still not building crit (or being played at all for that matter)

LùmenOct 11, 20161 votes

Sorry, she is discussing her issues with Azir in an isolated room atm. IRRELEVANT

Meep ManOct 11, 20163 votes

Uhm, I'm going to guess they will be lowering the damage of her E and/or increasing the cool down of her Q.

SwiftKitten88Oct 11, 20163 votes

regardless of if she op late game or not or if item 2043 reveals her late game or not

why does it matter?

at 6 items u don't have a spot for item 2043 anyways, so how is that different from how it is now?

Umbra IoniaOct 12, 20161 votes

Supports :)

BALDG1VEN BOOMEROct 11, 20162 votes

Not like anyone had pink wards late game to counter her in the first place.

SlashStrikerOct 11, 20162 votes

Vayne is going to need massive nerfs if Pink wards don't reveal invisible champs next season

That was one of the only ways to counter her late game

have you been playing the game this season? How do you get pink ward late game? Which slot will you use if you have 6 items?

With trinket changes that cannot detect stealth anymore surprisingly this season Vayne seems to do worst when she had way less counterplay then previous seasons and i was expecting her to have really high ban rate and win rates and pick rates but somehow it was the opposite of my expectations

KeepeOct 11, 20162 votes

Only way I could imagine this being balanced is if they brought Oracles back.

Spice POWAHOct 11, 20162 votes

I don't know about MASSIVE nerfs, but yeah, she'll have a lot of power she probably shouldn't have. Not sure what exactly they'd nerf tho.

Purple DeathOct 11, 20161 votes

How is she going to reposition without that invisibility?

XxMLG420NoScopeXOct 11, 201645 votes

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How is she going to reposition without that invisibility?

Hmmmm I don't know... by using some sort of 2 second cooldown dash perhaps?

Purple DeathOct 12, 20161 votes

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Hmmmm I don't know... by using some sort of 2 second cooldown dash perhaps?

The invisibility is the whole reason she is able to reposition, you don't know where she will dash to.

Pierce The VealOct 12, 20161 votes

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The invisibility is the whole reason she is able to reposition, you don't know where she will dash to.

It's not like it's tied to a dash with a 2 second cooldown.

GrReaper96Oct 11, 20161 votes

item 3364

KeepeOct 11, 20162 votes

Issue there being that it's still a Fizz Trollpole moment whenever she would tumble.

It Hertz When IPOct 11, 20162 votes

Still can't directly target them, so AAs and point-click abilities won't work.

ReZisT LustOct 11, 20161 votes

Rengar Did someone say invisible*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*

Ariel the CruelOct 12, 20161 votes

He will still get revealed by pinks.

Tik115Oct 12, 20161 votes

Frankly she's already in need of one

the Q change turned her from a champion which revolves around her silver bolts to "If my Q crits it'll 1 shot anything below 2K health"

Though if pinks don't reveal her I'm sure (i HOPE) she has a nerf put on automatically to counter that

BreakuOct 12, 20161 votes

That's the problem with the current stealth champions.

It's too hard to balance them around their stealth, when you can counter it with a simple ward. It usually winds up being very strong when they don't have a ward, and very weak when they do. By removing the counter, you can balance the stealth and the rest of their kit knowing the stealth will always work.