a message to the boards From a little caitlyn player:

Ahristocats··36 votes·2,801 views

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I'm not a Caitlyn main, i'm a support main primary and when i end up playing adc i prefer playing Mordekaiser because i'm better at playing tanky melees than squishy ranged carries

But when i have to play a real adc for my team, I play jhin/Cait as not only i'm good on them but i love the sniping theme

My message is the following: Caitlyn does not need buffs the boards recently have gone on a mission to buff Caitlyn Their argument? "46% win rate" "she loses lane against vayne when she's a lane bully"

let me tell you why as a little caitlyn player i do not think she needs buffs

First of all: Caitlyn is not a lane bully i'm sorry for Caitlyn mains that play her since years and were used to bully people, but a lane bully that scaled into late game was unbalanceable Riot chose to nerf her laning phase throughout season 7 and at the end reduced trap duration from 90 to 30/40/50/60/70 to make sure that she can't deny adcs so hard in early game anymore. But in exchange, they buffed her late game in the last patch she got changed. Trap damage got increased and headshot procs on towers item 3087 item 3094 now allows her to siege so well with traps, long range, and headshots on towers

When i play Cait i just farm The reason i play Cait over other adcs is because SHE CAN'T DIE in lane she's really safe unless you fuck up, 650 range, a dash tied to a slow, and traps if you use them well

Later in the game you scale, get objectives, siege

and you can actually assassinate someone with a net/trap animation cancelling because it will proc headshot that can crit with IE

To be fair I just hate Caitlyn ult, it's so useless i almost never use it Playing Caitlyn feels like i'm playing a champion without ult, at one point i would like Riot to nerf Cait somewhere, and make caitlyn not revealing herself when she ults, so the target would still have an indicator of being ultying, but his team doesn't see from where the bullet will be shot it feels so wrong for a sniper to reveal himself when shooting from a long distance

but that's aside of the discussion the reason caitlyn has 46% win rate:

Tristana KogMaw Twitch Vayne Ezreal and soon in next patchJinx

those adcs are just so busted that you don't ever find a reason to play Caitlyn, or Ashe Why play Cait when you can pick ezreal, be relevant throughout the entire game, being safe like cait, but also getting so much gold from klepto and have 3 items at 15 min?

Caitlyn has a low win rate because other adcs are broken But Caitlyn herself isn't weak, when you play against a non-broken adc you don't get bullshited by top/mid/jungle after you have few items because Cait is still strong and deal damage, and has her own strength that is area control

I wrote this thread, because i don't want Cait to get the Jinx treatment (who has right now 50% win rate and is getting a HUGE HUGE buff in next patch) we need to stop powercreeping this game, nerf the ad carries that are strong, don't buff cait or jinx for no reasons

and finally: caitlyn has been picked against varus in lck while ezreal kog kalista were banned, proving once more my point the overpowered adcs need nerfs

34 Comments

Tychusfindlay91827 votes

Agreed.

This shit KogMaw Twitch Tristana Vayne all need DIRECT NERFS

Along with small nerfs to a few items like item 3087 item 3031 item 3046 item 3094 item 3085 (preferrably cost nerfs over anything that directly hurts stat efficiency ASSUMING THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHAMPIONS RECEIVE DIRECT NUMBER NERFS).

Ahristocats6 votes

i'm actually impressed that the balance team refused to nerf kog/twitch/trist since ardent meta trist got a band aids nerf but it didn't change much

she's still an adc with tons of damage, 1000 range jump that reset tied to a slow, and a huge knock back how is this balanced? it's not

Tychusfindlay9183 votes

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i'm actually impressed that the balance team refused to nerf kog/twitch/trist since ardent meta trist got a band aids nerf but it didn't change much

she's still an adc with tons of damage, 1000 range jump that reset tied to a slow, and a huge knock back how is this balanced? it's not

It's 100% impossible to dive tristana without a 3 man goon squad or some shit and despite tha safety she still has hypercarry level damage.

If a melee was given tristana level safety they'd probably be tied to low burst intervals or being forced to take long trades to do damage.

Ahristocats4 votes

Well Camille has a tristana level of safety, and now has 100% ban rate in lck but you basically described tristana right now

Tychusfindlay9181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vi6Kqy6f,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T18:24:04.205+0000)

Well Camille has a tristana level of safety, and now has 100% ban rate in lck but you basically described tristana right now

Camille happened because riot literally reverted her back to release levels of power for some strange reason. The only thing they'd be missing now at this point is her being able to heal off of minions LUL

MFTORANK11 votes

These 4 are the worst, they have no problem statying safe and if you pick a bully into them you'd get outscale lol

PyroLux1 votes

Tristana was troll pick tier before rapid fire and shiv came along, historically whenever trist is strong it's because of items that synergize well with her (she's THE rapidfire+shiv combo abuser)

koshkyra1 votes

Increase costs of zeal items by 200-300, decrease shiv's damage by like 30%, lower IE passive to 35% crit damage and take 10 AD off of it

IE is op but doesnt need to become more expensive imo

Penns8 votes

Dont buff adcs 2k18 :]

Dead flag blues2 votes

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Dont buff adcs 2k18 :]

and revert Fizz

Penns1 votes

yes. [sg-shisa] [vlad-salute]

HalcyonDweller5 votes

Edit: Deleted and moved to relevant place.

Agree on the point that other marksmen are too strong currently, and that that is the problem, not Cait being too weak.

MediocreAatroxNA4 votes

They better not buff her. I actually want the opposite.

The sole thing I want nerfed on Caitlyn is trap duration in enemy turret range. Being unable to cs under turret because of a literal wall of traps you are forced to take two forms of damage for having the NERVE to try to get your share of gold is absurd. They shouldn’t last any more than a couple seconds in turret range.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I agree. We shouldn't have to play hopscotch in a minefield when all we're trying to do is farm safely under turret. Traps outside of turret? Fine. But having a bunch of them under turret in the laning phase is bullshit.

Thefrostyviking8 votes

....I mean, she won't have more than 3 traps until level 7 if she is maxing the ability, and won't have 5 until level 9.

But she loses near all Q damage for it.

And if she wants to maintain those traps then she needs to push lane which is also difficult for poor early weak cait it seems.

Her nerfs hit home as far as i can tell and only lategame is anything good on her.

MediocreAatroxNA1 votes

What game are you playing? I'm playing the game where there's so much early damage that exactly one misstep 2 pixels too far means people can all in you and you're forced to play like a coward until you back or die trying, giving time for champs, including Caitlyn to push the wave and keep the lead going, even going so far that jungler intervention is unlikely to do much due to poor gank situations where you have a wave or two of minions shredding you if you try to engage in said gank in the first place.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

What game are you playing? I'm playing the game where there's so much early damage that exactly one misstep 2 pixels too far means people can all in you and you're forced to play like a coward until you back or die trying, giving time for champs, including Caitlyn to push the wave and keep the lead going, even going so far that jungler intervention is unlikely to do much due to poor gank situations where you have a wave or two of minions shredding you if you try to engage in said gank in the first place.

It greatly depends on the support of course, if playing against blitz then intentionally stepping on traps is indeed a terrible idea.

But the lane is wide you know? And you have your own support, a cait with only 3 traps wont do much, i know since i have both frequently played cait and Ashe.

If cait really does shove the wave and starts planting traps then it's a golden opportunity for the jungle, she will be too far in to escape.

Just randomly planting in lane? Won't do much, defining her tower? Now this is the actually bothersome part, a cait digging in is really hard to handle unless you have someone to bulldoze through her traps.

With this in mind i rarely ever struggled against Cait in all but a few situations even when she was considered top tier, and now that she is a bottom tier for early and midgame she won't bully anything.

True lategame marksman, is her identity after the nerfs and changes that have gone through.

Le Meme3 votes

She needs a movement speed buff. its that simple.

Spoofghoul1 votes

with 650 range, zone control, and an escape tied to a slow

does she need more help to kite or do people just need to git gud

RavenMagus3 votes

Anyone who thinks Caitlyn needs a buff doesn't remember how utterly oppressive she is when she's even slightly overtuned.

Salson2 votes

1 game and 5 Support items....balance.

And how the hell did MM play Morde vs Malz, that shouldn't even be possible. I mean your post is good, but that steals the spotlight.

Ahristocats3 votes

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And how the hell did MM play Morde vs Malz, that shouldn't even be possible.

mordekaiser W heals him for 500 hp against champions, pets, and monsters the healing is reduced by 66% against lane minions

everytime malz summons voidlings you heal off them with W

Salson1 votes

mordekaiser W heals him for 500 hp against champions, pets, and monsters the healing is reduced by 66% against lane minions

Well, that explains a lot. I always though those count as minions.

Does it work against Yorick as well?

Ahristocats1 votes

Yes!

vgamedude2 votes

ADCs are the only role that is one class and in every game. It's why when people point out an underperforming adc it's meaningless because all it means is that they aren't as busted as the competition, which is always other adcs.

Ahristocats2 votes

Not really

Jhin is underpowered no matter what if you pick Jhin you get roflstomped by top/mid/jungle because you deal no damage that's why he has 46% win rate

Cait on the other hand does well against other champions played mid/top/jungle, but loses because more overpowered hypercarries are picked against her

Aimléss2 votes

You don't main Caitlyn, as someone who mains her, she has several flaws that have her placed where she is now in win percentage. She isn't the best early, she isn't good mid, and late game even though she scales she's not even in the top 5 in that regard either. She literally has no strong point.

She also has no reliable kill securing ability, which is why she averages so little kills. Her ult gets body blocked/zhonya'd etc. practically 75% of the time. Missing out on 300-900 gold every game when Vayne wold've got it hurts your winrate.

Ahristocats1 votes

Wrong

Just because she isn't the best in late game doesn't mean she's weak we have 138 champions do you really think we would have enough phases for champions to be THE BEST? we have one champion that is the best in early game, one champion that is the best in mid game, and one champion that is the best in late game

Cait sieging is the best in the game, no matter the phase of the game

The amount of kills in this game doesn't matter, it's the amount of towers that you get and the nexus that gets destroyed

Cowseed2 votes

After the shitstorm the boards had last year over the span of a few MONTHS to say Caitlyn was broken as hell?

Yeah just fucking ignore them.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

Riot- "no buffs? Then she needs nerfs"

saltran1 votes

So if you use the fact that she was picked in the Lck tell all the story pleas: SPOILER she was useles and they lost.

Ahristocats1 votes

they just lost because the enemy team played better and was more skilled, and lucian was useless

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

The reason i play Cait over other adcs is because SHE CAN'T DIE in lane

My plat mates don't agree with this [sg-miss-fortune]

but yeah, Cait don't need any buff, same for Draven if u ask me... But other bs like vayne, kog... need to be addressed (like riot its time to break their legs).

Crit shit need to be nerfed and changed, it was funny enough (not really), but it need to be stopped.

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