The issue with the vision plants, and the jungle

SwiftKitten88··6 votes·6,142 views

i would first like to prefix this with i LOVE blast cones. and i dont "dislike" honeyfruit.. although now that scuttle is contested its pretty damn unsafe to go into river when you're low

but the vision plant.. is HORRIBLE

when you hit the vision plant it has the potential to grant you vision of something u cant see, whether it be a ward, the enemy jungler or, if camps are missing.

but that's all it does.. it grants you POTENTIAL information.

what it ALWAYS does.. it give a massive shout out that says : "I'M RIGHT HERE" to the ENTIRE enemy team.

this allows any jungler who is ahead of you to either invade you. come kill you... know where your going to gank.. and is GUARANTEED to give them a LOT of USEABLE information.

where is it only has to POTENTIAL to give the USER usable information.

this.. plus the entire scuttle change fiasco. and the removal of jungle catch up exp.. means.

if your behind in the jungler.. your STAYING behind.. and your likely not EVER going to be in the game.. unless u specially happen to out-scale your opposing jungler with a lategame champion like MasterYi

it also mean w/e jungler is ahead.. has full access to BOTH junglers.. and can effectively take any camp they damn well please. because the other jungler cant stop them. and unless your in voice chat with a teammate.. your not getting help.

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give head pats2 votes

I disagree, it always gets information. If you sweep an area and don't see the enemy jungler. It gives you the info that they are NOT there. Also in lower ELO people barely look at map and next to no one ever notices it. I think it's fine.

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=Suzune Chan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VetUxJls,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-30T23:45:53.051+0000)

I disagree, it always gets information. If you sweep an area and don't see the enemy jungler. It gives you the info that they are NOT there. Also in lower ELO people barely look at map and next to no one ever notices it. I think it's fine.

it tell u where the enemy jungler.. isn't.. correct

but it also tells the entire enemy team EXACTLY where u are.

and yeah if u do end up revaling the enemy jungler then u both get the same info... and u can come off slightly ahead if u also reveals wards.

but your GUARENTEED to give the ENEMY very precise info they can use... and you only have a CHANCE to get useful that precise yourself

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

to be fair if you scout his camps topside to nothing but blanks you get the exact same info, you know for 100% certain they're botside.

tbh i do agree though, its kind of awkward to use it.

Madjack011 votes

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it tell u where the enemy jungler.. isn't.. correct

but it also tells the entire enemy team EXACTLY where u are.

and yeah if u do end up revaling the enemy jungler then u both get the same info... and u can come off slightly ahead if u also reveals wards.

but your GUARENTEED to give the ENEMY very precise info they can use... and you only have a CHANCE to get useful that precise yourself

The difference here is though that you get info about health and the exact position as well while the enemy only knows where you activated the vision scone.

To be honest if I play something squishy and I get tagged with the vision scone I am scared as hell that something is going to use a gapcloser from the direction of where the vision plant was used.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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The difference here is though that you get info about health and the exact position as well while the enemy only knows where you activated the vision scone.

To be honest if I play something squishy and I get tagged with the vision scone I am scared as hell that something is going to use a gapcloser from the direction of where the vision plant was used.

and if u didn't see them.. then u gave away your position and got nothing

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Suzune Chan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VetUxJls,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-30T23:45:53.051+0000)

I disagree, it always gets information. If you sweep an area and don't see the enemy jungler. It gives you the info that they are NOT there. Also in lower ELO people barely look at map and next to no one ever notices it. I think it's fine.

It telling you where the jungler isn’t would be viable if it could reveal their entire jungle. Not just one maybe two camps if you take theirs.(which no enemy jungler of any skill is going to allow)

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