Rengar and Kha, both have stealth, hypermobility and they nuke you faster than any AP. Their mechanics make them extremely opressive to jungle against. Yet you have 0 options to itemize against them as an ap jungler, and all they have to do to out spike you hard is get a hexdrinker
OurLestrade2 votesThe thing that bothers me about AD assassins is that they can resort to autos even if they miss their skills and still come out on top. I often mention this one time when I saw a Kalista dodge most of a Zed's combo only for him to left click once with the old crit Youmuus and chunk most of her health.
Z3Sleeper1 votesSounds more like AP junglers just aren't up to par rather than AD junglers are too strong.
GripaAviara1 votesDebateable, but you get deleted way too early vs them, way before you get your item spike. And their hyper mobility makes it so easy for them to counter jungle you
Takazaki1 votesnot debateable
this is straight fact.
Every AP jungler in some way shape or form has to cheat the jungle in order to be able to jungle effectively. That's just because of the nature of jungling. this normally is either an abuse of a mechanic or item/summoner.
but its universal why they always lose. AP junglers need to use cooldowns to farm. AD junglers have shorter cooldowns and if they are hunting you will always have their cooldowns up.
AP junglers shouldnt be a thing, they always cause problems if they ever become meta due to the nature of AP itemization.
Remember nid? high elo remembers.
Remember Tank ekko? high elo remembers.
Remember any point in time old Eve was meta?
get the point?
Jmman1 votesWell to be fair it think it's a mobility and damage issue. ALL the problems have 2 things in common. Very high damage and very high mobility.
Ekko check Nid check Eve (old) invs kinda a check rengar check Ez check lee check Kha check
etc etc etc. Funny thing is all this hyper mobility champ can also Slow/stun you too. IMO assissans need to be ranged or jump in do SOME damage (like 50% or some) and jump out unharmed. See, then if you stay you can die. But it will help them in team fights. This whole invs or jump or appear on you and 100% to 0 in 1 to 2 secs while you are stunned or can't cast on them because 
is beyond bs. I have no idea why no one has seen the issue with mobility and damage..... instead they add more of both together. You can tell the game is in its last days.
Foxstep1 votesSend a pic of your face so I can see what the face of bronze looks like
In what fucking world does rengar habe hyper mobility?