You can have high damage, a metric fuckton of mobility, OR huge amounts of CC, no all of them.
And add survivability to that. Some examples:
Tons of CC, tankiness, subpar damage and mobility. And that would be considered one of the most OP junglers right now. And in a perspective of some of the newer champs, he's perfectly balanced.
Metric fuckton of damage. Has only one form of CC in the form of a huge wall that slows. Drawback is being fragile and having no mobility.
Tons of damage and CC, but with high mana costs, no mobility, and is one of the squishiest champions in the game.
Additionally, both of those champions don't have a passive if you plan on not dying once.
Good mobility, good damage, no tankiness or CC.
But let's look at some newer champions who appear to have just been given shit because "fuck it, why not."
High damage. High mobility. Hard CC (for 2 seconds). A shield. AND the ability to essentially turn back time to get out of a fight, do tons of damage to people near where he ends up, and heal. Notice, he has all 4 attributes. All of the previously mentioned have 2 at most.
Vayne Q on every auto attack. Another Vayne Q, that is a skillshot, on her Q that allows her to go through small walls (including the pits and base walls). Twitch E with way more damage and has a reset function and a good slow. Ability to force her support to her to knock up the enemy then proceed to peel even more. Free mobile wards.
Like come on, Riot. How the fuck did anyone think that was a good idea? Even the PBE said they were OP as fuck, but of course you don't listen to the PBE, because it's not like they're designed to give you feedback.
Why can't you make more moderate champions who have a few good attributes and then some drawbacks. You guys are like 7 year olds playing with toys trying to make the most bullshit overpowered thing possible. Yes Riot, you're the kid who goes "Nuh uh, my force field stops your attack!" instead of accepting that you lost.
needs to be your example champion when designing. Dude's literally never been nerfed or buffed. And you know what? He is 100% viable as both a mid laner and even a damage dealing support.
He has good damage, that requires precision to land, and a decent amount of CC. However he has no sustain and poor mobility.
Other good examples are
and
. While the former may seem to have it all (even a little bit of CC and mobility, plus he usually has lifesteal), he relies on axes for damage, which allow the enemy to know where he wants to be to catch them, and they can take counter measures. The latter on the other hand, has a shit ton of damage and range. But he only has a mediocre slow and no mobility at all.
That is balance. Not this bullshit having 17 slows, 3 stuns, a knock up, a 3k hp heal, a 700 true damage point and click ability on a 2 second cooldown, and a blink on a 2 second cooldown. Seriously, I don't know whether I should look forward to Ao Shin, since he's old and likely doesn't have the overloaded aspect of recent kits, or scared for when he comes out with years worth of developing the most bullshit into one champion.
these other tanks that build similarly. His W is the only damage he has in the lategame when building full tank. Everything else he uses for CC and setting up his allies.
though. They have comparable CC, damage, and tankiness. I think Maokai is tankier but Gragas might have better CC, but looking at their damage, it's pretty close.
. The difference is that Gragas DOES do well later in the game, rather than falling off like a turd if he isn't fed. If you really want to nerf Gragas, give him some AP ratios back, because his laning is terrible right now as is. His Q is where nerfs should be implemented first; and if they are, he should get some increased AP ratios or allow full damage on minions again. Later. Peace
. And to a lesser extent...
. Immobile champs, yes. But they both slammed you with targeted, unescapable CC-Nukes that could blow people up in a VERY short time. It doesn't matter no matter how many dashes they had in their kit.. if they got within range of
. Yep.
is only a jungler,
only bot lane (but please don't play him), and so on
jungle, it worked, barely, but you lost so much of his kit. I'm not saying people won't play them in other roles, just that they weren't made for those roles