Aren't ADCs supposed to be weak early game

FalconPawwwwnch·Dec 11, 2015·5 votes·999 views

Why are they winning every single 1v1 lane

34 Comments

disregardableDec 11, 20154 votes

You should try actually using your champion's kit effectively. If you're a mage, you should actually poke, and if you're a bruiser, you should actually jump on their face. If you don't do those things, obviously you're going to lose.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

why didnt i think of jumping on the adc ??????????????? its so easy when her team is afk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let me just jump on th e champ doing 10 percent of my hp with aa's while dodging 4 of her teams skillshots and attempts to peel

disregardableDec 11, 20153 votes

This is a response to a post talking about 1v1 lanes. Your response is irrelevant.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

tell me how a melee is sopposed to jump on a quinn or vaynes face wihtout getting condemned/blinded then aa'd.

disregardableDec 11, 20152 votes

Okay. Vayne condemns you away, loses 1/3rd of her mana pool, and then it's on an 18 second cooldown for you to just jump on her again. Quinn's blind is a skillshot. Dodge it. There you go.

Sir YamazukiDec 11, 20151 votes

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Okay. Vayne condemns you away, loses 1/3rd of her mana pool, and then it's on an 18 second cooldown for you to just jump on her again. Quinn's blind is a skillshot. Dodge it. There you go.

In the process you lose half your HP while she's full HP, so even if you want to jump on her during that 18 seconds you just lose due to hp difference, and in the case of quinn, if you are melee and anywhere around her, it's impossible to "dodge" anything as at that point it is on them to miss and not really you to dodge. I have no idea why people think skill shots means you're dodging in the case of being melee and chasing.

disregardableDec 11, 20152 votes

Sure, if you fed her 5 kills and she presses r, you'll lose half your health in 2 auto-attacks. Otherwise? Nah.

Also, you don't even have to dodge it, although that'd certainly be the easier way. All you have to do is bait her into using it then go back behind the minions, because it only hits the first row of them.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20153 votes

are you questioning the marksmen role? how dare you question gods like that. filth like you who has to use braincells to do damage cant talk to us aa'ing champions like that!

PennsDec 11, 20153 votes

Actually tanks and bruisers are the gods here lol

Pierce The VealDec 11, 20151 votes

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Actually tanks and bruisers are the gods here lol

Yeah sure.

PennsDec 11, 20154 votes

Ill just assume this was sarcastic and answer with: NA: https://i.gyazo.com/802382cee1c2215240cded97138363f2.png EUW: https://i.gyazo.com/b2d17b2713917d693abad7f1f26401db.png

Pierce The VealDec 11, 20151 votes

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Ill just assume this was sarcastic and answer with: NA: https://i.gyazo.com/802382cee1c2215240cded97138363f2.png EUW: https://i.gyazo.com/b2d17b2713917d693abad7f1f26401db.png

They're only strong because of the ad overlords? Duh?

Last whisper doesn't pen base armor, so building health is even more effective. Why was last whisper changed? Cause ad overlords were too strong.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

go 1v1 a late game vayne as a bruiser or tank

JustMyBassCannonDec 11, 20152 votes

Subject of the thread specifically said lane, and thank you for listing specifically the archetype which Vayne is meant to counter, instead of the 1v1s that can and will obliterate her squishy ass.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

name one champ that can 1v1 a full item vayne late game and ill gift you a skin

JustMyBassCannonDec 11, 20153 votes

Zed. Kayle. Quinn. Yasuo.

At least, these are champions who I have seen 1v1 an end-game Vayne successfully. I don't care what spin you put on the encounter, and I doubt you'd be so kind as to give someone a skin for something as easy as naming champions who can and have solo'd a Vayne.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

item 3140 Vayne 3 aa Vayne condemn and outplay with the hard to do 3 aa Vayne condemn and aa 3 times

godbless

JustMyBassCannonDec 11, 20153 votes

I watched a Vayne use QSS and Zhonya's to keep Zed from bursting her, and she still only managed to kill him at the same time that he killed her. So, yeah, his ultimate isn't the only part of his damage.

50% slow. Invulnterability. Heal.

Blind, suddenly she can't hit shit because significantly short-range vision. All you have to do is wait for her first Tumble.

Wind Wall. Motherfucker.

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

did u forget she has 550 movement speed wiht uti so she can q over the wall and outplay the yasuo with her aa's of destiny

JustMyBassCannonDec 11, 20152 votes

She has 325 base MS. Her passive grants her 30 bonus MS when chasing enemy champions only, tripled to 90 bonus MS during her ultimate. So that hits 415, exactly at the point of the first soft MS cap. In order to hit 550 from there, she needs to have a total of 213.75 more bonus MS from items. If this is done purely with % bonuses, she needs to somehow have a total bonus of ~70% MS. While possible, she still only gets that bonus specifically while chasing an enemy champion.

So, yeah, no, she doesn't get 550 MS if she's trying to circle his Wind Wall. She'd have to go through it, in which case Yasuo can just dash right through her to the other side.

And, again, I do not care what spin you play on this theoretical matchup because these are the matchups I have seen where Vayne lost.

Slamurai JackDec 11, 20151 votes

You forgot MasterYi .

PennsDec 11, 20151 votes

OP said "every single 1v1 in lane", not "every single 1v1 against a full build late game champ that can be shut down early game". Apart from that, there will always be single OP champs, that doesnt make the whole role op.

Captain AishiDec 11, 20151 votes

go 1v1 an early game vayne as a bruiser or tank... it's even worse

JustMyBassCannonDec 11, 20153 votes

Which 1v1 lanes?

Top, where you pick a marksman that specifically has the power to zone out a melee champ while safely farming? Mid, where a caster marksman can beat a traditional mage by playing the same game + auto attacks? Bot, where it's another marksman + support and thus 2v2?

Jungle, where literally three marksmen bother to jungle and all of them are terribly weak to counter-jungling?

Hayaishi2Dec 11, 20151 votes

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Which 1v1 lanes?

Top, where you pick a marksman that specifically has the power to zone out a melee champ while safely farming? Mid, where a caster marksman can beat a traditional mage by playing the same game + auto attacks? Bot, where it's another marksman + support and thus 2v2?

Jungle, where literally three marksmen bother to jungle and all of them are terribly weak to counter-jungling?

the only adcs that can deal with melee in top are Vayne, Quinn and maybe Tristana. Everyone else feeds if they go against the likes of Irelia, wukong, Renekton, Trundle, Hecarim, Jax, Riven, Olaf. Vayne, Trist and Quinn can because they are currently overtuned as fuck

JustMyBassCannonDec 11, 20151 votes

Eh, I mean, I could probably run a couple other marksmen in top lane, main one I'm thinking is Lucian. But yeah, in general, they're not all capable of just holding down the top lane on their own.

But that was what I said, and the whole point was presenting just how vague their argument is versus how specific the cases of which they've claimed are.

RebonackDec 11, 20153 votes

At no point in the history of League have Rangers ever been weak early game save for a few specific examples.

Back before 1/1/2/J became the standard setup, Rangers often went mid against Mages and more or less everything else.

Irelia BotDec 11, 20152 votes

because "balance"

PennsDec 11, 20153 votes

Irelia

Irelia BotDec 11, 20152 votes

Yeah one of the champs who was made to counter ranged champ.

You got a problem with that?

Chrome RavenDec 11, 20151 votes

and melees. and yes everyone that faces irelia has a problem with it.

PennsDec 11, 20151 votes

There are many champs that can counter ranged ones. And yeah I kinda have a problem with Irelia rushing rageblade lol

ZephyrDrakeDec 11, 20151 votes

you do know that there exist these things known as lane bullies and early game ADCs right? since when has Cait been weak in the early game? since when has MF been weak in the early game? same goes for Kalista and Lucian? or Graves? there are early-mid game ADCs not all of them scale that well into the late game

PuynsiDec 11, 20151 votes

I cant go against adcs being a tank because no matter how much armor I get they just melt trought it, I have to make an overcomplicated engage to land a damn slow only to get cced to hell because they have a 40% cdr with 2 items.