Lets honestly take a look at the support role and ask "is it worth"?

Woook3r·May 10, 2016·3 votes·1,025 views

Is it worth nerfing alistares solo lane because his heal and dmg is so strong in bot lane? Is it worth queue times? Is it worth the massive snowball that sometimes comes out of bot lane (due to two feeders instead of just one per lane)? Is it worth insert support meta related consequence of your choice here?

Please discuss. For my own part, this is what another person just said about the support role:

"support isn't as fun as other roles and that's bottlenecking queue times right now. Many of them actually are being selfless and playing an underappreciated, less entertaining, lower impact role just to get the queue moving"

The overall meaning of these statements is that support is an onus.. a debt which league pays. Why the fuck is this debt worth?? What are we GETTING out of it?

31 Comments

NoctillioMay 10, 20167 votes

"I and some others don't like this role and find it boring, that must mean the role is bad, nobody likes it and it's worthless" Makes sense. Tell that to all the support mains. And trust me, there's plenty.

Woook3rMay 10, 20162 votes

If there are so many support mains, then why are my queue times so goddamn long when I dont pick fill or support? Over 10 minutes sometimes and im in bronze....oh wait. There arent many support mains. Even lcs supports want to play different lanes in solo q.

NoctillioMay 11, 20162 votes

There is, actually. You're probably just bronze and get queued with other people who have the same opinion as you.

So tell me, if the role is useless and just a "debt" (whatever the fuck that means) and nobody plays or likes it, then whats your solution? Your logic can go the same for literally any other game. Lets just remove the support role from other games too, why should it exist? Everybody should just die because they don't have somebody to heal or protect them. Saying that the support role is just a "bonus" is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard somebody in a game community say.

dark100dark100May 11, 20161 votes

I am a support main and I feel riot wants to move to a 4v4 game. They make everything to reduce the viability of supports by constantly nerfing them.

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

karma buffs...

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

then why are imaqtpie's q times so long that he picks fill and then gets support 90% of the time when he does pick that option? Why do lcs supports pick other lanes in solo q?

NoctillioMay 11, 20161 votes

You're seriously bringing lcs into this? lol. I'd rather go off by your own experience rather than some popular player.

AlienPrimateMay 11, 20161 votes

They are so long because there are so few people who play at one time at that elo. When you are in the top 1% of players you only play with the top 1%. In silver which is probably 40% of the population queue times don't take that long. As you move up in rank there are fewer people you can be fairly matched with.

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

no...when qtpie picks fill he gets faster q times and gets the support role 90% of the time.

soulbattMay 11, 20161 votes

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If there are so many support mains, then why are my queue times so goddamn long when I dont pick fill or support? Over 10 minutes sometimes and im in bronze....oh wait. There arent many support mains. Even lcs supports want to play different lanes in solo q.

your queue times are so long because you and so many like you pick adc over and over adc is an overinflated role because everyone wants to be an lcs playmaker and and think they help determine the game its just not true the vast majority of the time, as some one that regularly plays sup funny thing is if i secondary jng i get a 50/50 split on what role i play

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

actually i only get 10 min q times when i pick mid jg. when i pick adc mid, it usually a 2 min q time. And I hit adc 90%.

soulbattMay 11, 20161 votes

then your post is pointless talking about long queue time if you get 2 min adcs your a liar and troll and a bad one at that its just sad lol

FovereMay 11, 20163 votes

ADC is a hell of a lot more boring than support.

Support has worth right out of the gate and spends the game with team, clearing and granting vision, bolstering lanes and jungle as needed, etc. You are always responding to map. Supports have a broad variety of champs and utility they can pick from, and the play is diverse.

ADCs are weaker starters, and spend a good portion of the game PvEing at all stages. Regardless of champion your game experience is basically the same everytime. You will farm, farm, farm, sometimes roam, show up for teamfights, farm, farm farm. Your job in fights is pretty much to stay alive, and shoot things when it wont get you killed. Sure, in mid-longer games you will/should be the primary damage dealer on your team, and you'll get more pentas, but its a fairly limited role.

Support is a fun and active role, its not as popular because kids like to feel god-like and support just doesn't feel* powerful. This was the entire logic behind the Taric rework and I'd rather not see them undermine the support role just so there's more explosions and buttons to press.

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

i also think this is true. cs'ing is boring and the support just spends all their attention harassing the enemy which is fun. its also easy as hell cause that player has to focus on both you and the minions and maybe your adc as well, and also the minimap (check for ganks).

Thats really difficult to keep an eye on all at once and it makes supporting really easy. Also, supports never get focused so its pretty low stress.

When I want to have fun with friends, I play support jglers like naut or I take soraka or viegar bot lane and just constantly cast spells at the enemy. Its easy AF.

AlienPrimateMay 11, 20162 votes

If you remove support as a role you would effectively remove adc as a role too. Most adc's can do very little to protect themselves against assassins, tanks, and fighters after 1 or 2 items. Remove support and the following champions would become nonexistent Ashe Caitlyn Draven Lucian MissFortune Sivir Varus

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

idk about that. i just 2v1 thresh caitlyn and carried the game...we still lost of course but if you go watch the replay you will see.

AnagsMay 11, 20161 votes

First off you can play a supportive style in jungle and top lane. That's what happens when people play tank jungles and lulu top or mid. Support is just an under leveled gold starved role because....reasons.

Queue times prove the majority of people don't want to play that lane position. That isn't an opinion. It is fact. Some people may like support bUT that doesn't mean the role isn't slowing queue times because it is.

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

thats what ive been saying. i dont really mean to remove support gameplay, but I do mean to remove the 5th man from the game so that you can have 3 solo lanes and a jungler. lulu can support from mid right? u can still have that gameplay without forcing two people to share a lane.

EDIT: I guess you just say it better because you dont have -30 score on your post like I do...

QuephaMay 11, 20161 votes

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Is it worth nerfing alistares solo lane because his heal and dmg is so strong in bot lane?

The biggest nerfs to Alistar's solo laning happened because his cc and damage were too strong in solo lanes.

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

when did those nerfs happen?

QuephaMay 11, 20161 votes

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when did those nerfs happen?

4.15

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

lol i wasnt even playing the game back then...

EDIT: what im saying is that those nerfs probably arent even relavent at this time. just like the sejuani nerfs which happened because of cinderhulk. you just wont see a revision of the nerfs because neither ali nor sivir are favorite children of rito.

QuephaMay 11, 20161 votes

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lol i wasnt even playing the game back then...

EDIT: what im saying is that those nerfs probably arent even relavent at this time. just like the sejuani nerfs which happened because of cinderhulk. you just wont see a revision of the nerfs because neither ali nor sivir are favorite children of rito.

Then you haven't played the game at any time where Solo Alistar was viable so you don't know what you're talking about.

That nerf will absolutely never be reverted because Alistar had a zero-interaction laning "trade" where he would W-auto with a spellblade proc for a solid amount of damage and the enemy would be kicked to the other side of the lane with no way to respond.

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

o. well yea i dont know what im talking about.

LA LostyMay 11, 20161 votes

As Quepha mentioned Alistar top had a zero interaction laning trade, that you literally could do nothing against as most champions. Alistar top was picked quite a bit in lcs because it was so strong iirc.

DroogzyMay 11, 20161 votes

I don't think it was last years world, but the year before, Alistar's Headbutt -Sheen AA- was still active when Worlds started, he was a ban or first pick for entirety of the Worlds because of it.

Colgate GatorMay 11, 20161 votes

You ask if it's worth it but don't offer a solution to this "problem" (I don't believe it is, personally).

You're asking not for the meta, but for the whole game to change because you don't appreciate one role, the support role was born because of Champions with good base stats and abilities but subpar scaling, and adding to that, total map gold efficiency.

Three lanes, one jungle, five players, the game was designed so not everyone could go on their own way to make money, and instead had to compromise in some way, in true internet fashion, the meta became to make one player to suck it up become a support, using the aforementioned type of Champions and gold generating items.

If you can think of a better way to use the gold given to a team and make your ranking (and 4 of your friends, because I doubt 4 randoms would agree to whatever idea you bring up) go up and prove that there's a better way to use the resources given to you than the current ADC+Support meta, then it'd shift., otherwise I don't see much changing.

I for one enjoy the Support role when I don't want to top or jungle.

soulbattMay 11, 20161 votes

you have done nothing but hate on supports for a couple days now a simple click on you name shows as much and you have been overwhelmingly shutdown everytime and sadly you still dont get it, if you really cant understand why the adc/supp lane combo is the way it is and we enjoy it then you arent cut out for mobas im sorry i gave a nicer reply yesterday but you dont get it and your mentality will just drag teams down

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

not really im usually the one carrying.

soulbattMay 11, 20161 votes

i quick look at your match history shows unless your sup feeds you your the one feeding lol

Woook3rMay 11, 20161 votes

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/mightysaturn