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I don't know but i'm not so hyper about season 9 or new champion or any rework that is coming

ValiantKiller··10 votes·8,338 views

So far from what i saw lately and what happen in season 8 from balance to new champions to reworks, i'm really not that happy with game or how it will turn out in season 9.

Here let's look how riot did want to fix their game through the whole pre-season of 8, season 8 and pre season 9 :

First off , everyone was crying about how the damage is so high in game and yet they release 3 new champions that add cancer mechanics to game that reflect in some bugs (looking at you Neeko ) and all of them without thinking about it just making tons of unwanted damage Pyke Zoe Neeko .

But here my favorite 2 parts about the old champions and reworks:

My first favorite part Riot doesn't balance champion kit they tend either to buff their damage to roof or gutted their damage to ground, for example what happen with this champions through the whole season Garen Yorick MonkeyKing Nasus etc cause they didn't want to put a focus on fixing them, they either gutted their damage to ground and made them tier 5 while other just keep buffing their damage hoping it will fix their problems.

And my second favorite the reworks, reworking 3 champions into 3 unbalance broken monster with dumb mechanics Akali Aatrox Irelia not to mention their damage a juggernaut like Aatrox can build hyper assassin and 2 Q any thing in his face without thinking while healing mindless like Tryndamere in lane. Irelia You did miss your stun ? No problem throw ult and q everyone till they die. Akali that little prove that say Riot don't want towers in their game, giving her a little thing that break her and make everyone hate her for a clear reason still Riot balance team think it problem of damage, it the problem of dumb true stealth for the love of God.

And so far we walking into season 9 with this list of champions that got a high banned rate for a clear reason yet Riot doing nothing about them, I bet everyone here saw this champions banned together as package in every game they play, no one want to deal with stupid burst mobility adc like Lucian , no one like to get melt down by dumb Q and R from Neeko damage, no support or adc like to lane against Pyke cause he is the perfect assassin that can heal and sustain in lane while putting damage and easy cc while having better version of Daruis R, Aatrox Irelia Yasuo we know this package of top/mid laners that everyone hate and disgust to play against and finally we got our super dumb assassin that called Leblanc Akali that put alot of damage and have tons of easy escapes out of any fight.

http://i63.tinypic.com/668zgw.png

Legit so far what happen in season 8 will be twice worse in season 9 and mark my words.

19 Comments

420 grams3 votes

They nerfed 5 movement speed on Irelia, what more do you want?

ValiantKiller1 votes

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They nerfed 5 movement speed on Irelia, what more do you want?

maybe never keep nerfing movement speed for all champions so dashing champions the only strong pick as they want. :')

SaltyCauseBad1 votes

-5 Q damage as well please

ValiantKiller1 votes

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-5 Q damage as well please

What is worst, people still defend this champions.

Illabethe1 votes

What is that graph supposed to represent? Win rates? Neeko has a 46.7% Win rate and a 34% Ban rate....... I'm wondering wtf that 60% is supposed to represent lol.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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What is that graph supposed to represent? Win rates? Neeko has a 46.7% Win rate and a 34% Ban rate....... I'm wondering wtf that 60% is supposed to represent lol.

I clearly said champions that got high banned rate but i would fix it for you if you desire, that is a 60% banned rate for neeko on op.gg so i don't know what the hell you talking about. She sitting at the top of banned rate.

Illabethe1 votes

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I clearly said champions that got high banned rate but i would fix it for you if you desire, that is a 60% banned rate for neeko on op.gg so i don't know what the hell you talking about. She sitting at the top of banned rate.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Neeko/

25.6%

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/neeko

20.2%

https://champion.gg/champion/Neeko/Middle

None of them say anywhere NEAR 60%.

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

even puts her at 33.4% Ban....

And these are because she's new...... not because she's good. Once her play settles down, She'll probably be a 2% Ban.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Neeko/

25.6%

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/neeko

20.2%

https://champion.gg/champion/Neeko/Middle

None of them say anywhere NEAR 60%.

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

even puts her at 33.4% Ban....

And these are because she's new...... not because she's good. Once her play settles down, She'll probably be a 2% Ban.

Defend her as much as you want, she will get the hammer nerf sooner or later.

Illabethe1 votes

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Defend her as much as you want, she will get the hammer nerf sooner or later.

She's not strong, has no broken parts to her kit, and her counterplay will only get better over time, as people learn how to behave around her ult. You don't nerf a 46% champ.

VolatileAkali2 votes

Her ult is literally a better kennen ult. Riot has been making champions that out class older ones.

Illabethe1 votes

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Her ult is literally a better kennen ult. Riot has been making champions that out class older ones.

Except..... SHE'S NOT KENNEN. She doesn't have a STRONG movement speed buff that can outclass her targets, and Her ult doesn't have ANY potential to stun on the onset. Kennen's does..... If Kennen went in with 2 Stacks on each of his targets, His stun is instantaneous. That's how it manages to kill, not the damage.

Neeko's has a 2 second windup, of which for .75 seconds Neeko can't even move. She also has an action delay for .5 seconds after her ult is over. In other words, for 1.25 seconds, Neeko is a sitting duck.

Neeko literally NEEDS Flash to ever get off a successful ult, and even then, a good team will obliterate her unless she also has:

  1. item 3157 , in which case they have 1-1.5 seconds to escape her.

  2. She builds APC with sustain, like item 3148 item 3153 and auto attacks for the first 1.25 seconds of the ult windup to sustain against some of the damage she's taking (Which in return she lands a weaker ult)

The W Camouflage is NOT effective enough in 99% of cases to actually EVER help her land her R. The Move speed bonus is too slow compared to others. And her Passive Camouflage synergy with her ult only is useable against the nubiest players (She has to get up really close in their face, and if they don't attack her in that time to reveal her, something is really really wrong. A good team will shotgun you down so fast you can't complete the ult, if you get as close as you need to be.

It's basically a "hide in bush" skill, or a Flash skill. That's it.

VolatileAkali1 votes

Ok sure she doesn't have a strong MS buff (From her E you get 40% and Kennen 100%). Even if she doesn't have a stun immediately, she can still get a shield after 1.25sec wind up and the shield is insane. She slows for 40%, and stun for 1.25 sec. Kennen full rotation of combo can stun for 2.75sec. Yes, it's instant, but it doesn't burst as hard as Neeko's abilities since her damage and root is instant.

This isn't even an argument point, Kennen too is a sitting duck for 0.5sec, because hes ult is isn't 100% instant. He has a wind up.

  1. Every champion that uses AP almost always gets this item, it also works against Kennen.

  2. She can Zhonyas when winding up, it's pretty much like Kennen.

Her W wasn't meant as an engage, it's meant to trick your enemies. Same with kennen, he has to get close enough to stun them and initiate the fight, any good team will shotgun an initiator or an engager quick enough so they don't do massive damage.

Kennen too uses flash, but he also has proto and hes E, but the best way is E + Proto + Flash,

Neeko is similar compared to Kennen ult.

Illabethe1 votes

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Ok sure she doesn't have a strong MS buff (From her E you get 40% and Kennen 100%). Even if she doesn't have a stun immediately, she can still get a shield after 1.25sec wind up and the shield is insane. She slows for 40%, and stun for 1.25 sec. Kennen full rotation of combo can stun for 2.75sec. Yes, it's instant, but it doesn't burst as hard as Neeko's abilities since her damage and root is instant.

This isn't even an argument point, Kennen too is a sitting duck for 0.5sec, because hes ult is isn't 100% instant. He has a wind up.

  1. Every champion that uses AP almost always gets this item, it also works against Kennen.

  2. She can Zhonyas when winding up, it's pretty much like Kennen.

Her W wasn't meant as an engage, it's meant to trick your enemies. Same with kennen, he has to get close enough to stun them and initiate the fight, any good team will shotgun an initiator or an engager quick enough so they don't do massive damage.

Kennen too uses flash, but he also has proto and hes E, but the best way is E + Proto + Flash,

Neeko is similar compared to Kennen ult.

Okay here we go:

  1. Her Move speed buff is not from E. It's from W, and comes in 2 flavors: You get 20-40% from activating W for 2 seconds, and you gain a brief 20% from every third auto attack (which isn't a chasing mechanic to ult) which is only 1 second.

(You are wrong in quoting the 40%, because if building AP, Neeko levels W last. On APC, she can max W, but will have a weak Ult/Q, and E. For all intents, it's only 20% until post level 12 or so.)

  1. The shield only activates if people stay in range.

  2. The Slow is only during the .75 seconds she is immobile It is not the entire ult, and is there to compensate for the fact she cannot move.

  3. Kennen's full Ult bursts more than Neeko's overall. It does up to 825 + 150% AP, and can stun TWICE. Slicing Maelstrom does NOT have a Windup. It pulses and hits up to 6 times in 3 seconds. If Kennen primed his targets with Electrical Surge and Lightning Rush, they will already have 2 marks on them. The very first tick of His ult will stun for 1.25 seconds, and then the fourth hit of his ult (at 2 seconds) will stun for .5 Seconds. This guarantees his entire ult will hit, where just "Flash > Ult" will not, because that takes 1.5 seconds to stun (but half his ult already went off, and did serious damage).

  4. Zhonya Kennen ult is a low elo strategy. Most High elo build partially on hit build, and attack during the entire ult. Ult Kennens generally die a lot, don't have good gold incomes, which saves the opponent.

  5. It's not like Kennen, in that he has an up front Stun, and almost guarantees hits.

  6. If W isn't used as an engage, how does she engage? You're sabotaging your own argument. P.S. Try to use that W to trick enemies. So far, it hasn't tricked me playing against one. When Invisible, she ghosts, and is pretty predictable as to how far she can get/go for that whopping .5 seconds. Her clone doesn't deviate from its path. Easy. Bush diving maybe. But that's not every scenario. W is her ONLY Mobility.

  7. They can't shotgun Kennen, because he has unlimited stuns (Especially if building on Hit). He also once again... can get in much faster, and do his job before they can.

You really show signs that you play neither of these champs...... in that you thought her E was move speed.

P.S. Her E root is pretty worthless 90% of the time, as there are rarely targets in front of her combat targets outside of lane. It's usually only good for helping teammates catch a runner and close the gap.

VolatileAkali1 votes

  1. Yeah sorry, I'm used to mobility spells with E.

  2. It still doesn't mean that the shield isn't insane.

  3. Yeah sure she is frozen in place for 0.75, and to compensate they get slowed by 40%, but any champ has it even Kennen has it but his is way lower and has nothing to compensate with it.

  4. That is correct Kennen full ult bursts harder than Neeko's ult, but it doesn't mean it's hard to get out of, most games you enter you have people who can easily protect their carries or get out, so you most of the time don't get the full damage. It's damage is overtime not instant like Neeko's. Your not always gonna get a full combo, you probably will stun them for 2sec and try to kill the carries asap.

  5. Then if you go AP you get Zhonyas, because it's literally a core item.

  6. Sure he does, but Neeko with her root can guarantee her ult.

  7. I'm not saying you can't engage. You can still engage with it though it's a shitty way of engaging. Sure why the fuck would you trick your enemies? But that's how the ability was developed as, and it's a r%%%%%ed way of tricking enemies, but I'm not wrong when i say it's developed to be used as a tricking ability.

  8. He can be shotgunned, and he has no unlimited stuns. Dude no one goes on-hit it was nerfed hard at season 7 I believe. Neeko and Kennen are still similar in term of ultimate and somewhat in how they engage.

I don't know how you play her, but when I play with Neeko players (If I ever play with them), they try to land their root at the carry in team fights and flash or use W (If lucky) reach the carry and ult + Zhonyas.

Daddy Ants1 votes

Lucian 55% ban rate...

Still holds a 53% win rate with a 30% pick rate.

I'd like to be able to use my ban on something else Riot.

Why are they ignoring this blatantly overtuned champion?

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Lucian 55% ban rate...

Still holds a 53% win rate with a 30% pick rate.

This is the result of buffing an already top tier champion just because of Worlds..

Pyke 50% ban rate.

That's a sign to stop buffing this champion and start nerfing him.

Neeko with a stupid over 100% ap ratio on R and that is fine somehow, what else you want from a balance team that give root, tons of damage and shield for a mage? imagine if Zyra had shield on her R or something, everyone would panic.

But right, shield, damage,mobility and such stupid things is the theme for any broken champion.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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Neeko with a stupid over 100% ap ratio on R and that is fine somehow, what else you want from a balance team that give root, tons of damage and shield for a mage? imagine if Zyra had shield on her R or something, everyone would panic.

But right, shield, damage,mobility and such stupid things is the theme for any broken champion.

Let's not forget that Neeko's ultimate can NOT be interrupted by any means!

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Let's not forget that Neeko's ultimate can NOT be interrupted by any means!

And then people ask why she got the highest banned rate right now, she is annoying and broken seem like we never learn anything from other champions special last year monster that called zoe

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