Like she has been in such a good spot since her release. And I already know I'm gonna get "its bc shes perfectly balanced!1!1!!1" Well, no she isn't. Her cooldowns are relatively short. Especially q, probably best zoning tool in the game. Her damage is really a bit oppressive early. Especially since most oriannas run ghost or barrier it makes killing her even harder. Maybe we can just tone down her early?
Baron of Bread14 votesDidn't she have a weaker early game in the past because of mana issues? Perhaps that is where they need to make some changes.
Hyrum Graff3 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron of Bread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V9ypQafn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-06-21T18:50:48.996+0000)
Didn't she have a weaker early game in the past because of mana issues? Perhaps that is where they need to make some changes.
She still has mana issues, kind of.
W uses a LOT of mana early. Normally I don't use this spell unless thunderlords is up, because otherwise I'll run myself oom. One exception: if I hit lvl 2 when they're at lvl 1, W will chunk them hard, so I'll use it then. This is a pretty common scenario because of Ori's strong lvl 1.
In summary, don't let her level 2 W cheese.
NineTailedMystic10 votesNerf her mana costs.
UnboundHades8 votesi see oris run oom a ton until they buy this fucking item
that makes her able to just spam everything with nothing to stop her
PrinceOfStorms7 votesThe problem is Lost Chapter.
UnboundHades12 votesit should of remained lost
Maddened King 5 votesYou realise throughout League mages have always had a Mana Regen item to go for. 
Mana manipulator 
. So no, the problem is not Lost Chapter, the problem is there is no problem and you guys are fussing over something that isn't broken.
ForgiveColour1 votesdid you just compared pre mage item rework chalice to lost chapter and double dorans? LUL
Maddened King 3 votesYes because my point was that League has always had a Mana regen item for Mid laners. Lost is that item right now.
ForgiveColour1 votesYeah they both are regen item except for the fact that chalice doesnt make you a manaless champ like lost chapter does
NineTailedMystic3 voteshow the fuck would you ever run out of mana with a chalice/grail
Catastrop7 votesI think the issue with Ori is that she benefited way more from the MYMU than most other mages. With the introduction of mana book her mana costs became pretty much non existent. This coupled with the fact that CDR is so prevalent across itemization in general, her utility got a massive boost since like every other mage she didn't get her numbers tuned to account for the excess stats. So she now gets incredible uptime on her utility while doing above average damage at a very steady pace thanks to her rather low CDs.
Crede7776 votesI play a lot of Orianna. Her level 1 E grants her passive magic resist and armor. Active it gives her a shield. Her passive amps up bonus magic damage on auto attacks. That plus thunderlords means she can pretty much win any level 1 trade.
Succubús GF5 votesI do too, level 7 with about 90-100k mast. points and she is really just a bit too good right now
Dreadlocks11 votesOr maybe everyone else is just a little worse?
Succubús GF9 votesIt isn't that. She's been strong since release. She doesn't have a weak point in the game really
Thefrostyviking4 votesIsn't she fairly bad against Anivia Xer and malz though'?
I was under the impression that they usually steamroll her kinda hard.
And she was perfectly balanced, when compared to everyone else for the longest time.
However, champs have been nerfed and reworked while Ori remained constant, it has only some time ago caused her to gradually shine more and more, especially since others keep being nerfed from time to time.
Handin Out Naps11 votesI don't think Anivia has any bad match ups lol.
Hyrum Graff1 votesI don't think Anivia has any bad match ups lol.
In general, long range mages screw Anivia the hardest. Particularly Xerath. It's so hard to do anything in a Xerath lane. Then, there's a few other assorted bad or bad-ish matchups. All this from experience (rank 6 Anivia, been playing her on and off since I was learning the game -- she was my first main, back in S3).
Gangplank is a pretty bad matchup. He can shove just as easily as you, has more global pressure, scales differently but just as well (or better?). And on top of that, he can be K from your stun so you can't fish for q's and expect to get in range for an E follow-up, and his barrel combo outranges you in lane (and, you're anivia, good luck beating him on the aa timing). Luckily GP mid is not too common.
Kat is hard pre-6 because she can Q poke you for free every time; if you Q, she jumps on you and you can't retaliate. If you don't, you do no dmg. Still wouldn't call it bad because you can take tele and just shove post-6, especially if your jg gives you blue.
Fizz has a similar deal where you can't Q preemptively or he'll playful/trickster on you. Although, it is possible to stun him as he comes out of his Q and before he E's, if you double tap Q fast enough behind you.
Theorchero1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hyrum Graff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V9ypQafn,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-22T02:25:05.717+0000)
In general, long range mages screw Anivia the hardest. Particularly Xerath. It's so hard to do anything in a Xerath lane. Then, there's a few other assorted bad or bad-ish matchups. All this from experience (rank 6 Anivia, been playing her on and off since I was learning the game -- she was my first main, back in S3).
Gangplank is a pretty bad matchup. He can shove just as easily as you, has more global pressure, scales differently but just as well (or better?). And on top of that, he can be K from your stun so you can't fish for q's and expect to get in range for an E follow-up, and his barrel combo outranges you in lane (and, you're anivia, good luck beating him on the aa timing). Luckily GP mid is not too common.
Kat is hard pre-6 because she can Q poke you for free every time; if you Q, she jumps on you and you can't retaliate. If you don't, you do no dmg. Still wouldn't call it bad because you can take tele and just shove post-6, especially if your jg gives you blue.
Fizz has a similar deal where you can't Q preemptively or he'll playful/trickster on you. Although, it is possible to stun him as he comes out of his Q and before he E's, if you double tap Q fast enough behind you.
Xerath I'll agree with but Anivia shits on GP most of the time if you can land the stun simply because of the E nuke. Good Anivias give me a fuckton of trouble in mid as GP because they will interrupt my movement path as Q flies towards me so I can't dodge it. I may be able to cleanse the CC but I'll eat a fully empowered E + aa + tld trade which will chunk me for 40% health or so. After sheen and a couple items it gets easier though. She enables ganks like crazy because of her wall.
Kat and fizz are super agitiating. Only saving grace is that if JG is nearby it's hard to all in you successfully due to your egg.
Hyrum Graff2 votesXerath I'll agree with but Anivia shits on GP most of the time if you can land the stun simply because of the E nuke. Good Anivias give me a fuckton of trouble in mid as GP because they will interrupt my movement path as Q flies towards me so I can't dodge it. I may be able to cleanse the CC but I'll eat a fully empowered E + aa + tld trade which will chunk me for 40% health or so. After sheen and a couple items it gets easier though. She enables ganks like crazy because of her wall.
Not sure what elo you're in, but I was speaking from experience in silver through high gold (where I currently reside). I suppose at high elo, where Anivia can reliably pull off the wall pull into Q, it's a bit of a different lane. I think I still maintain that GP should have the edge, at least after first b, when you can start just shoving. At that point it should be just a farm lane, or Anivia is playing super aggro and is open to ganks, or one of you is outclassed.
edit: It's way too late and my English is... has 5 words in my vocabulary, lol
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesWhere does that myth come from that GP can "just shove" easily. With tri he can start to shove, yes but with sheen alone you are so early in you barely get the barrel recharges to actually "shove" not too forget that midlaners pay attention to your barrels and just destroy them if your timing sucks. That said, anivia is not a fun matchup for GP. Hell anivia isn't fun for anyone tbh. Her Q isn't that easy to dodge and even if you W cleanse the stun half your mana and hp is gone anyways, if she doesn't want to all in you would never W the stun as you lose way too much healing out of it.
Maddened King 2 votesKassadin shits on her because he can Q cancel her Ulti and any champion that can siege like 
etc can continue to be oppressive after level 6 since they can poke her down while she stays in range to R the minion wave.
Dreadlocks14 votesI mean, it's pretty common for mages to be strong throughout the entire game without a very noticeable weak spot.. This doesn't apply to just Orianna.
Succubús GF7 votes
has a semi bad early game for the trade off of how good his late can be
has to pay attention to mana early
literally goes oom in 3 seconds at levels 1-5
Mana problems high scooldowns
High cooldowns early
falls off hard late
has a semi weak laning phase in a lot of matchups, can fall off.
The majority of mages have a weakness. Granted, there are a few that that this doesn't apply to, however it should apply. Her q is 40 mana for a 4 second cooldown. Her w for mobility is a flat 9 second cd. Morellonomicon alone makes spamming her abilities so much easier It allows her to keep complete lane control in the majority of matchups.
Mobez31 voteshow does azir fall off late
Dreadlocks19 votesKarthus's early game is actually really strong.. Lissandra is strongest early and honestly is only weak rn because of how many nerfs due to pro play Cassio has some good cheese potential early, but yeah is gated by mana Kassadin just needs to get past the first few levels, hardly a "mage" Vlad is a battle mage and is hard to beat out of lane given his sustain Azir is in the gutter right now.. Annie Is fine all stages
Now lets look at some of the other Mages who are good all game
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Dreadlocks12 votesis that a joke lol
NineTailedMystic2 votes[deleted]
Dreadlocks12 votesOh yeah, 50% winrate is terrible -_-
Chembaron Yamada2 votesWhile you are technically right that Ahri falls off late, since her winrate is dropping.... The main point are mages which are strong at every phase of the game.
50% winrate is still strong. Therefore Ahri has no weak point in the game. She just goes from "insanely strong early" to "slightly above average in late".
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Chembaron Yamada2 votesTbh, the chart you provided doesn't really give proper data. It doesn't show numbers and it ends at 50 minutes, while at 45 minutes she is even above 51% winrate.
It isn't easy to interpret this data, maybe the sample size for that time stamp is even just too small to give proper information? And looking at the data provided by Lolalytics, it says that Ahri has a winrate of above 50% for games lasting 40+ minutes. That includes the very late game as well.....
I don't want to attack you, but the analysis of the data shows that Ahri pretty much is strong at every phase of the game. That is simply what the given data is telling us. Her team fighting potential isn't great as you pointed out compared to other mages. But she is still able to maintain a positive winrate in this stage of the game.
Maddened King 5 votes
He does not have a bad early. It is just no one knows how to play him Early. He, in fact, can have on of the most oppressive laning phases in the game but people want to farm bot with him instead of harass.
Just like Ori, Ori has to pay attention to mana. Her W and E will drain her out of mana before Lost quite easily.
No one scales like her and can all in as hard as her. Her all in is also worth all the mana you throw away because it usually means 2 health pots and a back. If you are Eing a target without poison, you are just a bad Cass.
His W gives him mana back and his Q, E and R cost barely any mana to use. He is also one of the strongest champions in mid right now.
Anyways, the other champs you listed are niche or garbage champions. Orianna is fine in terms of her kit and damage. She doesn't need nerfs nor buffs as she is fine. She is not oppressive to a laner who can match trades which should be almost every meta pick. It sounds to me like you are just too passive in lane if you are being oppressed by Orianna.
RipReviveFkRito2 votes[{quoted}](name= Maddened King ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V9ypQafn,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000002,timestamp=2017-06-22T02:43:35.270+0000)
He does not have a bad early. It is just no one knows how to play him Early. He, in fact, can have on of the most oppressive laning phases in the game but people want to farm bot with him instead of harass.
Just like Ori, Ori has to pay attention to mana. Her W and E will drain her out of mana before Lost quite easily.
No one scales like her and can all in as hard as her. Her all in is also worth all the mana you throw away because it usually means 2 health pots and a back. If you are Eing a target without poison, you are just a bad Cass.
His W gives him mana back and his Q, E and R cost barely any mana to use. He is also one of the strongest champions in mid right now.
Anyways, the other champs you listed are niche or garbage champions. Orianna is fine in terms of her kit and damage. She doesn't need nerfs nor buffs as she is fine. She is not oppressive to a laner who can match trades which should be almost every meta pick. It sounds to me like you are just too passive in lane if you are being oppressed by Orianna.
psssst don't tell people how broken karthus dps is on lvl 1 
Inting Pillow7 votesAzir falls off? Azir FALLS OFF? AZIR FALLS OFF? HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED AZIR? ARE YOU INSANE?
FluffySoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Afk Warding,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V9ypQafn,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-06-21T22:06:44.917+0000)
Azir isn't bad late game for 1, and for 2 Annie is complete garbage because much like Morgana, just not nearly as bad for her, Annie is a champion that RELIES on having a summoner spell up or for her opponent to fall asleep and let her run at them and kill them. Annie is complete trash because of her range. She also does fall off because she can get kited very easily due to her range being nonexistent. Also early-mid game no items really are good for her except Morellos but then you trade a lot of damage for health that she honestly needs because she has such short range that she needs to walk at you to get into range for. RoA is an option but RoA sucks on everyone except for Kass and maybe Swain but Swain has more options. -Sad Annie player
Succubús GF1 votesAzir is just bad in general Annie has a 52% wr, how is that garbage? Build roa mobis and ludens and I guarantee youll be running at the team and dropping tibbers on their faces.
FluffySoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Afk Warding,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V9ypQafn,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000050000,timestamp=2017-06-22T11:18:06.282+0000)
Azir is just bad in general Annie has a 52% wr, how is that garbage? Build roa mobis and ludens and I guarantee youll be running at the team and dropping tibbers on their faces.
By buying those items you lose out on a lot of damage, magic pen which you kinda need ya know to do damage? Also mobis are trash on everyone except for most junglers and supports. I'd love to know where Annie has a 52% wr that isn't silver or bronze. Edit: I'd also like to say that RoA is not a good item right now unless you're Kass or Swain~
Succubús GF1 votesLudens is 100 ap, one of the highest ap giving item. Mobis are a really good engage tool when ahead, I can literally walk down the river to bot and hit them with tibbers before they can flash away.. I prefer roa right now because there are a few matchups where annie needs to be tanky. Its clearly not trash if annie bot, a otp challenger annie player builds it
http://na.op.gg/champion/annie/statistics/mid There was an identical win rate on lolking but it didn't say the specific patch so I was unsure
ADC5LUT6 votesI agree with this, her Q feels really really oppressive especially if the enemy Ori knows to not spam it until level 3ish.
DoktorKaiser6 votesYes she was almost always good ever since her release and that is because she is perfectly designed, not balanced, designed. No champion is ever perfectly balanced because balance is like a wheel, it spins, now LB is op, now Ahri and now Ori. Tomorrow it will be somebody else. Unless you are Lee Sin of course then you are balancing on top of the wheel for 6 years but thats another story. Anyway, yes she is a bit too powerful early game because she needs to be that late game powerhouse and its a bit bullshit that she can also harass early this hard. Her mana costs got buffed for no reason so that makes her more forgiving, assassins were all nerfed so they cant shit on her any more. Her early game needs some numbers nerf, but still if I had to choose between a late game champ being very strong in lane, I would always choose Ori who has tons of counterplay rather than tumor like Fiora, just saying.
Edit - now looking at the comments, I am glad that most people understand that her pathetic mana cost and the existence of is the main problem and not her kit which is 100% true
nargnargnarg5 votesShe has no escape, which leaves her susceptible to ganks. League isn't strictly a 1v1 match up.
Succubús GF6 votesw is a pretty good tool
Dryden8143 votes[{quoted}](name=Afk Warding,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V9ypQafn,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2017-06-22T00:09:51.633+0000)
w is a pretty good tool
Don't forget her ultimate.
LightIsMyPath4 votesSo strange that a zone control mage has"the best zoning tool of the game" (zyra seeds would be better if she wasn't a terrible pick in mid). Also mindlessly spam q is going to leave her oom very quickly before lost chapter and after many midlaners outdamage her. Honestly they keep nerfing all midlaners and the best is always the one who didn't got nerfs. Viktor was nerfed anivia was nerfed cassio was nerfed syndra was broken and then nerfed talyiah was nerfed even before people could learn to play her at her full potential in lower elos then dia aurelion was nerfed karma and lulu got pushed into support role zyra was nerfed into support and same for brand velkoz is rarely seen mid after mymu . . Last one was Ahri that had only ONE problem but they refused to acknowledge it and just nerfed her damage.. Annie is indirectly nerfed by the rilay nerfs. Malz is history by now with what happened to him.. Ziggs was broken asf with the tower thing and got nerfed. Azir is in the gutter waiting for his rework and lissandra got repeatedly nerfed long time ago. Am I forgotting someone?
Succubús GF1 votesI don't think she was meant solely for zoning. Also shes a disruptor https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list
So strange that a zone control mage has"the best zoning tool of the game Her q is 40 mana. Lost chapter is super cheap.
Also isn't malz op now? When was cass nerfed? Annie is also strong right now. A lot of these mages aren't bad right now. Just looking at how easy it is to bully with orianna and that isn't healthy because most mages have a clear weakness or bad part of game
LightIsMyPath3 votesIsn't. "disruptor" the class that we commonly referred to as "control mage" before the class update? My smartphone refuses to open the link properly and I'm already in bed under sheets so not going to turn PC on again until tomorrow. . But if Anivia and Zyra are with her that's the class I'm taking about. Malz was a support until his very last changes ( and has been since his nerfs following mymu) and I think he's going to be nerfed again soon since his wr skyrocketed . Cassio was one of the first mymu mages to be nerfed, specifically hit at her sustain and at her flash-r animation if I recall correctly (searching for the patch on this buggy phone would hunt my dreams xD). As far as Annie fares I honestly never saw her if not in the hands of Annie Bot.. She seems like a situational pick, a walking stat check that has reason to be picked for her R-stun and the ability to target stun.
As for the "power curve" of mages I honestly can't disagree more: They seem to have all their weak spot at the same time of the game:before getting their mana item. Just mention me a mage that is particularly strong before lost chapter, or another that is particularly weak after (azir doesn't count he's always weak :p). Every mage tend to have a weak spot in his own kit rather then in a particular moment of the game. Syndra? Immobile and squishy Annie? Short ranged and immobile Ahri? Squishy and less utility then the average mage in teamfights exc. Not to mention everyone of them has clear windows of weakness when a certain ability is down (syndra E Annie passive Ahri R). An orianna who just moved her ball is a vulnerable orianna as her shield takes more time to travel then many projectiles . She has no mobility so a well placed gank can destroy her , especially if her ball is settled to aggressively zone you. You play her you should know.. If anything the problem presents in late game when she's doing more dps then she is supposed to by constantly moving the ball for the sole sake of damage from Q with 45% cdr but AP itemization is pretty fucked up atm.. Who didn't built athene lost flat AP on their build and who used to buy athene is now forced into morello, 40 AP more then they used to have in their mana/cdr item..
Hyrum Graff4 votesRank 7 / 100k mastery Ori here. Couple times when she is weaker:
Overall I'd agree, though. Her weak points are not very pronounced; it's more "power spike vs normal power" than "power spike vs power dip".