AP item revemp, Yet no new AP + Armor item?

SwiftKitten88·Feb 15, 2018·7 votes·694 views

Don't get more wrong i LOVE the changes done to most ap items.. and i think 8.4 is looking like the best patch i have seen in well over a year.

HOWEVER since we are doing a once over of ap itemization.

WHERE THE BLOODY FUCK IS OUR OTHER AP + ARMOR ITEM?

like seroiusly there are ZERO options of the want to keep building damage and still get more armor.. and you not like you can even grab 2x because the active

i do LOVE what your doing with ap itemzation.. but my god WE NEED ANOTHER AP + ARMOR ITEM!!!!

also worth mention to give us something yo build out of . and yeah i frequently play in the jungle, and my duo Q mains so don't give me crap about my trying to "wreck those champs. ap needs this too

16 Comments

The Yetii RiderFeb 15, 20184 votes

"There are zero options if you want to keep building damage and still get more armor"

Yes. Yes there is only one option there. It's almost like ranged champions building damage and tank at the same time is cancerous and has resulted in several items getting nerfed item 3053 item 3071 item 3156 item 3078 item 3025 .

So for AD, they get the options, those options get abused and then nerfed for everyone.

For AP, mages don't share itemization with juggernauts and divers. So instead of getting items that get nerfed, mages just never get the items to begin with. And it's glorious.

You guys are getting the wider range of items you want. You admit it's great. You now have sharper item identity on item 3151 and item 3165 , while you have three different items that you can rush and easily get 40% CDR. All of these things are what mage players were asking for.

The actual unhealthy aspect - ranged champions getting tank and offense on the same item, can be wanted by mage players all day, it doesn't make it healthy for the game.

SwiftKitten88Feb 15, 20183 votes

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The actual unhealthy aspect - ranged champions getting tank and offense on the same item, can be wanted by mage players all day, it doesn't make it healthy for the game.

oh you mean like adc's and ad champs? item 3046 item 3812 item 3072 item 3139 item 3156 item 3026

right... it would be FAR too strong if mages had TWO items like this...

The Yetii RiderFeb 15, 20181 votes

The lifesteal mechanic requires you to be in auto range of your opponent. Mages, on the other hand, excel at far longer ranges, which is why they need to be squishier.

Also mages have their own lifesteal item 3146 . You just refuse to buy it, and you've refused to buy it for six years now. You can blame the mage players for that one.

SwiftKitten88Feb 15, 20182 votes

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The lifesteal mechanic requires you to be in auto range of your opponent. Mages, on the other hand, excel at far longer ranges, which is why they need to be squishier.

Also mages have their own lifesteal . You just refuse to buy it, and you've refused to buy it for six years now. You can blame the mage players for that one.

its a hybrid item.... it gives ad... also... it has only been around for 2 years...

The Yetii RiderFeb 15, 20181 votes

And amazingly, the AD it gives has no effect on the AP it gives. It's still an 80 AP item. Mages can use it just fine. item 3151 only gives 80 AP and people still build that.

And this version of it has been around for 2 years, certainly. Before that, you had Will of the Ancients. Mages didn't buy that either. Sustained defense has never been a priority for mage players like it has been for marskmen, despite the sustained defense being right there in the game for you all to buy. Instead, you prioritize burst. Constantly. Any item that gives you more damage and AP, that's what you want. Well, that's fine, but if your playerbase is solely focused on offense, you will overlook the defensive items that are already available to you. That doesn't mean you need new defensive tools in addition to the ones that already exist.

JamareeFeb 15, 20183 votes

I think an AP equalivalent would be too good personally.

Malix FarwinFeb 15, 20182 votes

Check the match history of people disagreeing with you OP, they play primarily AD champions so wouldn't waste my time arguing with them.

SwiftKitten88Feb 15, 20182 votes

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Check the match history of people disagreeing with you OP, they play primarily AD champions so wouldn't waste my time arguing with them.

Wasting time would be checking their match history... What is NOT wasting time (at least IMO) is to show how absurdly stupid their argument is so everyone can laugh at how stupid and/or bias they are.

you cant fight stupidity with reason, that much is true... but you can use reason to show how stupid their augment is so that the other people with reason can laugh at them as well.

ReySolomonFeb 15, 20181 votes

OR they can add 15+ more armor into zhonyas without having to add another ap/armor item.

Definitely need a QS ap version.

Lord of MathFeb 15, 20181 votes

Did you just say mages Excel at far longer ranges? Ryze Mordekaiser

AirKingNeoFeb 15, 20181 votes

Why do you need another AP armor item? Mages already auto win vs assassins and anyone melee.

SwiftKitten88Feb 15, 20182 votes

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Why do you need another AP armor item? Mages already auto win vs assassins and anyone melee.

LOL wut?

that is literally the most bullshit statement out there name a single top lane bruiser that wont beat a mage in a 1v1. because off the top of my head.. i certainly cant.

and assasins? again.. no.. and considering i play BOTH mages and assassins. i think i know a bit about that subject.

again..assassins are designed to take down squishy chars such as adc's and mages. and they do a pretty good job at it. obviously mages are designed to do this two so if the assassins is caught out there ganna lose still.

and every freaking bruiser in the game hard counters mages. unless the mage is stupidly fed and can actually kill you in their entirely combo because you haven't bought the SINGLE MR item you need for them not to.

AirKingNeoFeb 15, 20181 votes

All of them because I'm talking the laning phase.

Then why do all statistics and high elo opinion state that assassins can't beat mages right now/