i got a question about Essence Reaver

ValiantKiller··1 votes·1,479 views

Honestly before tomorrow patch come up, did Riot balance team think about this MasterYi XinZhao Jax Trundle Illaoi Graves Fiora Olaf Nocturne Irelia Camille abusing the hell out of this item 3508 . i know some of them won't benefits much from it but still most of them will be godly with it, XinZhao with good amount of attack speed can just permanent knock you up while MasterYi can spam his q and Jax god he will spam his counter all day after his ult, etc.

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Speeedy1 votes

what does the new item 3508 do?

ValiantKiller1 votes
ClumsyFerret1 votes

I feel like the Riot balance team kinda tosses stuff in-game and hopes for the best sometimes. (Emphasis on sometimes, here.) I can honestly see this item being nerfed rather quickly after they see how it works inside of the game, and we won't see it in Worlds/LCS (whatever the pros are on right now) for a while.

Also know that I'm a pretty casual player so mileage may vary.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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I feel like the Riot balance team kinda tosses stuff in-game and hopes for the best sometimes. (Emphasis on sometimes, here.) I can honestly see this item being nerfed rather quickly after they see how it works inside of the game, and we won't see it in Worlds/LCS (whatever the pros are on right now) for a while.

Also know that I'm a pretty casual player so mileage may vary.

I honestly think the same, like i don't know master yi, jax, xin, udyr and such champions already are pain and overpowered from early to late game yet they give them item that could make their skills spammable while their skills one of them is you can't touch me master yi q while jax e screw your AA and your aoe damage.

KZ Engel1 votes

most champions value other things more than whatever ER has to offer

since it has no tank stats, no spellblade, and no attack speed, it will be a 4th or 6th buy

ValiantKiller1 votes

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most champions value other things more than whatever ER has to offer

since it has no tank stats, no spellblade, and no attack speed, it will be a 4th or 6th buy

Ymm ? it give 30% attack speed once get active plus 20% of your basic spells CD on each hit, that is a good second item on any AA champion.

KZ Engel1 votes

the attack speed is only when you ult

all of these champs value tank stats, spellblade, tiamat, or guinsoo's over 20% REMAINING cd

and none of them struggle to 1v1 or 1v2 anyway. so they build their third and fourth items to be more useful to the team.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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the attack speed is only when you ult

all of these champs value tank stats, spellblade, tiamat, or guinsoo's over 20% REMAINING cd

and none of them struggle to 1v1 or 1v2 anyway. so they build their third and fourth items to be more useful to the team.

And still tomorrow patch and you will see how it will work on them.

OmManiPadmeHum1 votes

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Honestly before tomorrow patch come up, did Riot balance team think about this MasterYi XinZhao Jax Trundle Illaoi Graves Fiora Olaf Nocturne Irelia Camille abusing the hell out of this item 3508 . i know some of them won't benefits much from it but still most of them will be godly with it, XinZhao with good amount of attack speed can just permanent knock you up while MasterYi can spam his q and Jax god he will spam his counter all day after his ult, etc.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2e55to7.png

It will be powerful, but it's not a first item buy anymore like it is now. Auto attacks are so slow early on. And obviously this item isn't useful until after level 6. Yi will be able to abuse it more than jax for sure. Yi is strictly an AA champ. Jax doesn't have the double proc passive like Yi and Jax's main power comes from his W+ult passive.

I would say this will be a 3rd item buy on most champs, and really only useful if the champ has ult up. So for Jax and Yi, thats a static 80 and 85 seconds respectively. As long as your team pings when ults are down, this should be easy to work around. I don't think its going to be as bad as people think. Yeah, on PBE it's pretty gnarly, but that's because people are going in with duo's and getting fed with it early and running around like ANY fed champ.

Hell, I think I'd still be more scared of a Camille with Trinity and Ravenous than a jungle Jax with bloodrazor and a rushed essence.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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It will be powerful, but it's not a first item buy anymore like it is now. Auto attacks are so slow early on. And obviously this item isn't useful until after level 6. Yi will be able to abuse it more than jax for sure. Yi is strictly an AA champ. Jax doesn't have the double proc passive like Yi and Jax's main power comes from his W+ult passive.

I would say this will be a 3rd item buy on most champs, and really only useful if the champ has ult up. So for Jax and Yi, thats a static 80 and 85 seconds respectively. As long as your team pings when ults are down, this should be easy to work around. I don't think its going to be as bad as people think. Yeah, on PBE it's pretty gnarly, but that's because people are going in with duo's and getting fed with it early and running around like ANY fed champ.

Hell, I think I'd still be more scared of a Camille with Trinity and Ravenous than a jungle Jax with bloodrazor and a rushed essence.

We shall see.

Malfectious1 votes

How will this work on Nidalee ?

ValiantKiller1 votes

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How will this work on Nidalee ?

I don't think it work on Udyr Nidalee Elise Jayce since their ult just switching form.

Pika Fox1 votes

ER has an internal CD so if your ult is shorter than its CD it wont be able to be spammed.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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ER has an internal CD so if your ult is shorter than its CD it wont be able to be spammed.

Aside from that, i did hear from people on pbe it doesn't get active with his champions.

Pika Fox1 votes

Most of the champs you listed are melees who all have difficulties staying in range

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