With Marksmen playable in all other lanes (even jungle!), it's time to open up bot for Mage carries

Pyro··21 votes·1,168 views

Call me oldfashioned, but I like some good classic diversity in the team composition. Some big guys who make the frontline, some quick fighters, some magical support, and the guy/gal who shoots. Doesn't have to be arrows.

But when the team weaponry consists solely of a machinegun crossbow (top), double-barrelled shotgun (jungle), roflcopter rockets (mid) and onslaught of bullets (bot), it's becoming less of a fantasy setting and something that begins to resemble Counter-Strike. Four-ADC team would obviously be ridiculous, but competitive LoL has already seen triple-marksman compositions.

The Marksman update was a success. The champions became more diverse and fun to play. Which is important, because unlike every single other class in the game, the number of ADCs in a game cannot go below 1. You can have no tanks, no fighters, no assassins, no mages - you can even use a mage or a tank in place of a true support. But ADCS have been a must-have component of every single team composition for years now.

I'm not saying we have to remove the necessity of having ADCs from the game. It doesn't have to be that big of a change. But now that these mandatory ranged shooters can reliably find their place in other lanes, it's high time we allow other classes to take on the Babysat Carry role.

Mordekaiser was one daring attempt at that, failed at many angles for a variety of reasons. Champion kit changes forcing the duo lane are probably the wrong way to do this. If it's possible by changing any other systems - items, towers, exp share mechanics, gold gain - that should be the way to go.

It doesn't even matter that much which class enters the bot lane. Melee carries, carry mages - anything new would be welcome. Mages are just my suggestion because they seem to be the easiest option.

22 Comments

Kei1433 votes

jsut let the enemy do that ..

while you pick Rammus Malphite Nasus Vi Jax

3ofGot40ve2 votes

I did kat support bot and rushed Rylasi crstal/FoTM and I was basically just a soft cc god. we ended up winning. it was hilarious.

Hayaishi22 votes

Playing Lucian bot and Varus mid is not double ADC comp, Varus doesn't build ADC items.

Sachabot1 votes

Manamune isn't an ADC item anymore?

Hayaishi24 votes

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Manamune isn't an ADC item anymore?

It's AD caster item. ADC items are crit based.

Sachabot2 votes

That's an odd sub-classification, and not one I see a need for, but I get your point.

The Rewritten1 votes

It's been around forever. People don't use it much because there aren't that many AD casters in the game.

Riven is the prime example of an AD caster.

Sachabot1 votes

I meant classifying ADC items as the crit-based ones, but okay.

LankPants2 votes

That makes item 3072 , item 3153 , item 3035 and it's upgrades and item 3139 also not AD items.

Hayaishi22 votes

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That makes item 3072 , item 3153 , item 3035 and it's upgrades and item 3139 also not AD items.

They are AD items, plain and simple, those items can be used by AD casters and Carries alike.

Unlike the zeal items (except TF) and IE none of the above are intended for the sole purpose of increasing dps (except for maybe bork)

Varus mid doest build Zeal or IE, neither does Riven, Jayce builds IE because of an unique interaction, but they all prefer flat AD to AS and Crit, unlike the bot lane carries who build As and crit with some flat AD Life Steal and Armor pen is shared by both.

fukimissHarambe1 votes

Not trying to be a pest but what's Jayce's interaction with IE?

Catastrop1 votes

I think it negates the damage penalty on Hyper Charge assuming you can crit for each attack.

Hayaishi21 votes

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Not trying to be a pest but what's Jayce's interaction with IE?

NP.

His ranged w makes his next couple of autos do increased damage and be on 2.5 As.

It used to be better when ghostblade gave crit too.

Earl Eulrich2 votes

a success? crowding out everything else until you destroy your own environment can only count as a success in this post-capitalist-dystopia we live in i guess.

fukimissHarambe2 votes

I don't think that the availability of marksmen is almost all roles is the problem, I think it's the inability of some roles to be diverse. Sure, maybe you see a Morgana or Annie top every once and a while but for the most part mages go mid and bruisers go top. I think it would be really cool if riot made a full on mage meant for jungle. Right now the only ones I can think of are Nidalee and Elise but the both play more like assassins than mages.

PhantomGG1 votes

Honestly the pros have been discussing for a while now in why it cant be done, many are debating it, hell one team even attempted it with the famous adc kennen from fnatic.

Divewing1 votes

The ADC kennen was about what picking kennen would bring, rather than playing him ad would.

LankPants5 votes

hell one team even attempted it with the famous adc kennen from fnatic.

ADC Kennen isn't picking a mage as a carry, it's picking an ADC who's normally a mage as a carry. The last time any team played an APC bot was a Lulu bot game in the LCK or LPL (can't remember which now) at the start of last year. They lost horribly.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

ADC Kennen is an AD off-build for Kennen, not a mage in the ADC position.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I think it'd be best to just make a gamemode & map that ranged physical carries won't constantly be a necessity. But riot has repeatedly shown disinterest in doing anything beyond the rift for more than 3 sentences. However I still entirely agree, I've grown quite bored with the meta being so consistently favored for years.

Nautoday1 votes

No one is stopping you from playing what you want bot lane. I've done several pictures of champs bot lane. Just because there is a norm of who goes bot lane, doesn't mean you have to follow it.

Leeerzeichen1 votes

You say that a 4 ADC Team is crazy? Watch this http://i.epvpimg.com/HHcTf.jpg

Was a really funny game. But i have to admit that kalista isn't really a good tank/bruiser support.

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