Riot is avoiding all mentions of trying to help melee

FalconPawwwwnch·Oct 14, 2016·7 votes·745 views

So many Jayce/Kennen threads So many Doran's shield threads So many ranged harass threads

But yea let's respond to making Zyra interact with season 7 plants

23 Comments

MimyOct 14, 20166 votes

I love how the Jayce and kennen stuff became a thing only when worlds was out... Just saying...

PennsOct 14, 20163 votes

I love how people always blame lcs or worlds when a champ becomes broken ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

MimyOct 14, 20162 votes

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I love how people always blame lcs or worlds when a champ becomes broken ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Just because they're picked doesn't always mean they're broken.

I mean Varus was picked. But lost now everyone plays him and says he's broken but before worlds I told people Varus was good and got down voted... Hahahaha.

Honestly every champion is strong, and those who play worlds are probably just bringing what they think is best for the situations.

Granted Kennen is strong with his aoe stuns. But I wouldn't say.. Broken.

PennsOct 14, 20161 votes

Well Varus isnt played that much anyway, but Kennen, Jayce and Syndra are prime examples of that right now.

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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Well Varus isnt played that much anyway, but Kennen, Jayce and Syndra are prime examples of that right now.

Kennen was my picks before he got noticed... Rip. :(

Gnat too.. Again rip.

I play yordles a lot. Ahah

Phoenix Kotori Oct 14, 20161 votes

Jayce got a recent buff that did really leave him overtuned, but Kennen pretty much QQ over worlds.

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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Jayce got a recent buff that did really leave him overtuned, but Kennen pretty much QQ over worlds.

Like I said its his aoe stun. I won't lie he's strong. Actually it was riots change to him in mage update that really did it. They need to tune down the damage of that ulti a bit.

specter424Oct 14, 20161 votes

They were broken before that but the pros picking it brings it to light since there are so many sheep. Before that point any mention of x being op is downvoted by the mains of x champion.

RalanrOct 14, 20165 votes

Meddler has pointed out that he usually comments on threads that ask questions he feel he hasn't addressed.

Also a lot of these threads are bitching.

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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Meddler has pointed out that he usually comments on threads that ask questions he feel he hasn't addressed.

Also a lot of these threads are bitching.

Melee champions are actually in a powerful spot. I think. Kennen is a mage.

Jayce is a half ranged. Has also melee as well. Jayce can build melee only items. As well as ranged o my items. He's one of those special cases.

If they were to make a buff to melee. Or something like that... he may be on that lists of people who could use it..

DrCyanideOct 14, 20161 votes

People with Melee/Ranged states ( Elise Jayce Nidalee Gnar ) can only use the Melee Only part while actually melee. That portion of an item just "turns off" when they're ranged.

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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People with Melee/Ranged states ( ) can only use the Melee Only part while actually melee. That portion of an item just "turns off" when they're ranged.

Yes but i know for sure that even tho they don't get the melee passives... they still get it's base stats.

I build item 3085 item 3074 on gnar... and I would noticed..

I still get the life steal in Mini form, and I still have the attack speed and crit chance in Melee form.

DrCyanideOct 14, 20161 votes

Yup. It's a way to encourage them to transform back and forth without punishing them too hard for building a Melee/Ranged only item.

Wolfram OxfordOct 14, 20161 votes

JarvanIV Amumu Malphite Maokai Olaf Poppy Renekton I am sorry but why do they need help and how are they getting it? Is being bullied in lane a problem? If so we should just everyone strong early so they can farm right? While we are at it let us give Ezreal scaling with mana, Lets remove the mana costs on Anivia. I think you miss the point of power curves. A champion may be weak early, but in return they are strong later. I am sorry again, but I see no problem. Especially if you are referring to picks like Quinn, Graves, Gnar, Vayne shitting on melee tops early. All you need to do is farm safe and avoid poke, yes that means losing cs and thats a simple trade off, if you don't want to be feeding the enemy you will lose gold in cs, if you want cs you are running the risk of feeding the enemy. Plus I am pretty sure Riot saw melees struggling early against ranged, thats why Doran's Shield exists, that is why melees don't need a lot of AP/AD to deal good damage, that is why melees have CC and gap closers, that is why defensive items are so cost efficient.

Big LincolnOct 14, 20161 votes

Is being bullied in lane a problem?

yes Jayce Kennen Quinn Graves Gnar Ryze Cassiopeia shitting on me in lane is a problem when they will also be vastly more valuable than Darius Garen Jax Volibear Yorick in a teamfight and have far superior late games in almost every circumstance

If so we should just everyone strong early so they can farm right?

Riot doesn't have a problem with giving Ryze Cassiopeia Lucian Jinx Azir Jhin Jayce stronger early games, but it'd be a problem if a melee with less utility, less range, and less damage be allowed to do something in the one lane they're even allowed to exist in, and most of them can't even fall back on being a jungler?

I think you miss the point of power curves. A champion may be weak early,** but in return they are strong later**.

no they aren't rofl. The best these champs can hope for is to have a strong mid game while these guys are still building their penetration items. But as soon as they reach 3 or 4 items, the melee's already lost his chance to be useful thanks to shit like item 3036 giving ADs even more damage they didn't need at all, or any AP champion here with item 3116 item 3135 ** ""skillfully kiting""** me into oblivion. The balance between damage vs defense is horribly skewed in favor of damage right now; tank stats don't mean shit once penetration items are acquired.

Especially if you are referring to picks like Quinn, Graves, Gnar, Vayne shitting on melee tops early. All you need to do is farm safe and avoid poke, yes that means losing cs and thats a simple trade off, if you don't want to be feeding the enemy you will lose gold in cs

Yes, I can't CS in lane vs the champions that outscale me. How do you not see the issue even after you describe it yourself?

AhristocatsOct 14, 20161 votes

want to fixe the situation? either heavily change the game, or bring back atma.

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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want to fixe the situation? either heavily change the game, or bring back atma.

Atma? Sounds familiar.. Wait...

Looks on league wikki.

As an add main. I can tell you.. I would abuse the hell out of that as a ranged.

Lets see if I build tri force... Frozen mallet atmas... Beserkers infinity edge..

Yea... That would be dope..

AhristocatsOct 14, 20161 votes

make it melee only? boom

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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make it melee only? boom

Yea but like someone else said..

"Actually I think Atmas would be a bad idea because people are already angry at tanky people killing them."

So new Idea.

AhristocatsOct 14, 20161 votes

tanky people killing them?

what "tanky" champ is killing people right now? the only non-squishy champ that is borderline overpowered is Darius and even then he's close to be balanced and shit in high elo/when people play well against him.

MimyOct 14, 20161 votes

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tanky people killing them?

what "tanky" champ is killing people right now? the only non-squishy champ that is borderline overpowered is and even then he's close to be balanced and shit in high elo/when people play well against him.

Oh yea Atma's was replaced by an item. item 3748

AhristocatsOct 14, 20161 votes

it was not replaced, item 3748 has a lower %, cannot crit, and doesn't give damage on spells only olaf can build it

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 14, 20161 votes

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Riot is avoiding all mentions of trying to help melee

Considering they've been having this conversation for the past 6 years just as every gaming company has had a similar conversation since a warrior first swung his sword at a ranger I'm actually not surprised they don't want to talk much about it again, make promises they can't keep, and again get hosed in the end