@RIOT Can you not make Guardian Angel Exclusive for AD Champions?

CatSith··36 votes·3,654 views
4/6 PBE Update

Your point was to make it unattractive to tank but why completely make it unattractive for AP Champions too?

[REWORKED - WIP] Guardian Angel Total Cost: 2400g Build Path: Pickaxe + Long Sword + Cloth Armor + 875g +40 Attack Damage +30 Armor Unique Passive: Upon taking lethal damage, restores 50% of base Health and 30% of maximum Mana after 4 seconds of stasis (300 second cooldown).

48 Comments

ExHentai14 votes

https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/8g2H4vjy-midseason-durability-feedback?sort_type=recent&comment=00020000

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We actually tested an AP version of the item as well (literally had an item named AD GA in the shop for testing at the same time as AP GA) because my gut told me that was fair as well. However, after a few weeks of testing, people almost always preferred to just have Zhonya's, and fighting against champions that had both AP GA and Zhonya's wasn't particularly fun (and it was very possible), and so I came to the conclusion it's not something that AP champions need, despite how appealing it sounds.

tl;dr unfun and unneeded.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Add to this their next BS... i mean item 3102

BakedLotion10 votes

giving mr/lvl to everyone

new MR item essentially guts any DoT/Multihit mage

more mr options

Still no magic pen options

rip abyssal

"but hey they have a spellshield now!!"

Vallalan4 votes

{quoted}

giving mr/lvl to everyone

new MR item essentially guts any DoT/Multihit mage

more mr options

Still no magic pen options

rip abyssal

"but hey they have a spellshield now!!"

a spellshield with an EIGHT second cooldown at level 18. good luck getting picks on people late game as someone like lux with new banshees, edge of night, etc.

BakedLotion3 votes

That doesnt matter if they do like peanut damage to a tank.

Mages cant even penetrate the front line anymore. Good luck getting to the backline

Its just gonna be a vayne and fiora meta after these changes because mages will be completely incapable of dealing with the front line

Tanks are already a problem for mages. Why does riot feel the need to make them strongervs mages?

GULAG 4 U1 votes

You act like item 3135 isn't the best penetration item in the game- 30% and unconditional that penetrates ALL MR.

BakedLotion1 votes

Abyssal? You mean void staff?

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Yeah.... My bad.

RexSaur10 votes

What AP champ actually builds current GA?

AP champs have hourglass, they dont need GA.

Cocho3 votes

Katarina

Linna Excel4 votes

She has a little AD scaling. She might take the item if matched up against an AD midlaner I'm thinking.

Mordepool2 votes

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What AP champ actually builds current GA?

AP champs have hourglass, they dont need GA.

Mordekaiser for 1

Grift981 votes

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Mordekaiser for 1

morde scales on ad and ap so ga could work for him. same with jax

Mordepool2 votes

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morde scales on ad and ap so ga could work for him. same with jax

It's usually built as his 1 defensive item I doubt he will even buy it now

NineTailedMystic2 votes

It's a situational item, great for when you need to make plays happen or when you're ahead and carrying and need to live.

Janna mìd2 votes

AurelionSol I buy GA fairly often on him

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

bu.... its just because your soul have left your body [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

literally buy guardian angel as my only defensive item lots of times. this is going to cut into all of my builds by not only increasing the costs, but providing a pointless stat that has to be built out of pickaxe.

Anivia Amumu Heimerdinger Fizz Fiddlesticks Janna Karthus KassadinMordekaiser Morgana Ryze Shen Shaco Singed Soraka Teemo Veigar Zilean

INoble KnightI1 votes

Current AP champs don't build GA cause it fucks their damage to hard. Zhonya's is only built cause it's our only option to get armor and some AP. New GA gives AD and that heal thing. If anything the new GA is better than Zhonya's.

Sukishoo7 votes

Mages have item 3157 , they don't need or use item 3026

xWaters5 votes

Bullshit. AD champions have access to plenty of MR and good actives. See edge of night and maw. Mercurials is also good.

Sukishoo6 votes

Those are meant for reducing damage taken from Magic. Plus EON was meant for Assassins so they had a chance to get in without dying instantly but was abused by everyone else.

and item 3139 is bought for the active to cleanse off CC.

Hourglass and GA are meant to have another chance. So no, mages don't need two options for that.

Linna Excel1 votes

Sort of. Riot is worried about mages picking up both items as well.

CatSith2 votes

Not all mages can use Zhonyas effectively.

SailorPsycho5 votes

Funny joke.

INoble KnightI2 votes

Zhonya is so situational is borderline useless. Oh look I'm invul for 2 seconds then I die anyway.

Lord Malpercio5 votes

Quinn top just evolved into a new form of cancer.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

so.... ill continue to ban her

Irelia Bot3 votes

They could have made it increase AD by 15% and AP by 10% id tehy wanted it only on offensive champs.

But then again...Akali and Katarina would literally be getting it second or third item every game... actually they will likely still be doing that since they have the AD ratios for it.

Geshultz3 votes

Its because if they made a decent AP GA item it would basically become incredibly hard to kill mages with zhonyas making it frustrating to play against and can lead to heavy abuse cases with it basically imagine trying to burst through an Akali/Katarina with these 2 items... Ya it would be very frustrating.

GinoSoldier1 votes

Hell just remove Zhonyas altogether and give me one like this here. Way sexier.

Linna Excel1 votes

Yes, riot figured they couldn't keep both an AP GA and zhonya's so they choose the latter.

the weeaboo3 votes

You already have Zhonyas which is about 10x better. We want an item that gives offense and defense too. Shut up.

INoble KnightI5 votes

item 3139 item 3814 item 3025 item 3071 item 3053 item 3046 item 3072 item 3156 Poor things, you are so strapped for defense and offense items. It must be really difficult to ever get defense and offense at the same time versus the the mean mages with item 3157 item 3001 item 3027 item 3151 item 3116 item 3030 item 3040. See we only have 2 items that give resists and the rest is raw health. You get so much variety for resists, damage, and health. Stop crying.

the weeaboo1 votes

Mages get HP, ADCs get resists... that's the trade-off. But what's this? Mages get an armor item AND a MR item? What's this? ADCs don't have a armor item? I wonder why they made the change...

INoble KnightI2 votes

Let's see ADCs get item 3046 to reduce damage taken and can have item 3072 for lifesteal and shield plus item 3053 for health and shield. ADC raw DPS with those 3 items arguably makes them tankier than mages in general. so a mage gets 50 armor and like 65 mr? You think that'll do anything against an ADC or Assassin? Jesus you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for arguments here. Edit: Oh forgot to mention that Abyssal will no longer give AP so it's no longer a mage item.

the weeaboo1 votes

Name one champ besides Yasuo that bill build all three of those items...

INoble KnightI1 votes

Try most ADCs

the weeaboo1 votes

Examples? Because none of these do: Ashe Caitlyn Draven Ezreal Jhin Lucian KogMaw MissFortune Quinn Twitch Urgot Varus Vayne Jinx Kalista

MAYBE Graves if you even want to call him an ADC.

These are what you get as an ADC :

item 3153 item 3085 item 3031 item 3036 item 3087 item 3072

item 3031 item 3085 item 3087 item 3036 item 3072 item 3026

item 3142 item 3071 item 3814 item 3147 item 3036 item 3009

item 3508 item 3094 item 3031 item 3046 item 3036 item 3072

item 3153 item 3078 item 3094 item 3031 item 3036 item 3072

INoble KnightI1 votes

Did we forget the time where almost every ADC built Steraks?

the weeaboo1 votes

Did we forget that builds of the past have nothing to do with the future we are talking about?

INoble KnightI1 votes

and people still build them.

CatSith3 votes

Not every AP Champion can use zhonyas effectively.

the weeaboo1 votes

So you're saying not all mages can use Zhonyas but all ADCs will be able to use the new GA?? What??

Linna Excel2 votes

Repertoire was saying that they were testing an AP version of GA internally but after 2 weeks all of their testers preferred Zhonya's so they removed it.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Well I'm gonna buy that item on master yi every single f*Cking game lol

xWaters1 votes

I made a thread about it but was downvoted to hell, thank you for bringing this up once again. Totally disregarding other classes. Sad.

BIue Monk1 votes

Haha, riot games (not even putting capitals, don't deserve it anymore) has fallen so low... They have no clue, that's so funny. They just hired the wrong people, sad.

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