are basically in every game ever and it is so frustrating. As much as I hate to say it, id prefer seeing 
or 
than them. Like it is so infuriating because you can ban one, and then you get to deal with the other
Big Lincoln3 votesplz no vayne
Joxcab2 votesI'd prefer them not attacking over twice as fast while draintanking all damage and crit deleting everyone. Thanks. And definitely no Vayne.
RexSaur1 votesI'd prefer them not attacking over twice as fast while draintanking all damage and crit deleting everyone. Thanks. And definitely no Vayne.
Yeah its better to play against champs that 1 shot you/cc you from fog of war, instead of champs that have to actually come into auto range, stay there and have weak early games/abuseable laning phases.
Its very fun to play against old ap nid v.2.0 that is the current varus.
Joxcab1 votesYeah at least armor works until they get Cleaver/Lord Dominik's and rely mostly on abilities with longer cooldowns than being blitzed to death by autoattacks and most of their stuff from long range is easily blocked or dodged.
I am talking about both in an ideal prime level of strength. Of course Lethality is better right now. That's not the point.
RexSaur1 votesYeah at least armor works until they get Cleaver/Lord Dominik's and rely mostly on abilities with longer cooldowns than being blitzed to death by autoattacks and most of their stuff from long range is easily blocked or dodged.
I am talking about both in an ideal prime level of strength. Of course Lethality is better right now. That's not the point.
Its better to play against champs like jhin who have strong early-mid-late, whos a lane bully with utility that scales like a god than to play against champs with strenghts and weaknesses (jinx and vayne).
Got it.
Joxcab1 votesGreat fallacy, keep it up. Maybe it'll help you stop whining.
If Lethality was properly nerfed, Jhin's build on crit would put him on an equal curve to other crit ADCs, except the crit ADCs would do better lategame by virtue of actually gaining attackspeed and Runaan's.
RexSaur1 votesGreat fallacy, keep it up. Maybe it'll help you stop whining.
If Lethality was properly nerfed, Jhin's build on crit would put him on an equal curve to other crit ADCs, except the crit ADCs would do better lategame by virtue of actually gaining attackspeed and Runaan's.
jhin was top tier BEFORE LETHALITY BUFFS with the crit build
Do you not play the game?
Joxcab1 votesBecause he was even stronger and didn't have other nerfs that would've put him into line until Lethality came along and broke him again?
Do you?
Ratbert1 votesSo crit made him broken, and then lethality made it doubly so?
Is that not more reason to nerf jhin?
Joxcab1 votesDid you even read what I said?
He was broken during crit because he still didn't get the other nerfs he did later. Which balanced him. But then he picked up flat armorpen, and broke himself again. Flat armorpen gets changed to 40% flat Lethality and makes Lethality build awful. Then it gets buffed to 60% flat Lethality and breaks him again. Now if Lethality was properly balanced, Jhin would be balanced because now he has other nerfs he didn't when he was abusing crit near start of release.
Ratbert1 votesYour wording made it hard to read, the "would've" made me think this is what you were saying.
Jhin only received small nerfs. -10 base damage on q does little to address his problems. 20% ad on the snare hurts but it really wasn't the bulk of your damage anyways. They made it practically only reduced for champs too. Jhin was still very much top tier after the nerfs.
Greek is fat1 votesYou could say this about every lane now. Same bans every game, same picks mid/jungle/bot/support. Top is the only role that differentiates between champions.
RainXBlade1 votesI'd rather play against a Gosu-level Vayne than anything that can use Lethality. At least Vayne provides mechanical counteplay and not itemization counterplay.
Blu 11 votesI was with you until you said
Woodakoodashooda1 votesThere are fewer options for ADC in game than there are for any other role in the game and people are going to fall under two categories regarding their main role.
Play their main religiously regardless of shifts in the meta.
Conform to the meta so as to avoid the disadvantages that come from doing otherwise.
Either way there are less than 20 options for ADC and, at most, half of those options are viable with any given patch.
