Make his AD scaling on his E scale up per level rather than per rank. The way his E is right now is it barely gets stronger per point in E but stronger by his actual level.
Say at rank 1 his E has 4 spins.
Rank 2: 5 spins.
Rank 3: 6 spins.
Rank 4:7 spins.
Rank 5:8 or 9 spins.
Have his E damage scaling get higher per champion level than per E level.
Thoughts?
SugeMinPikk5 votesHe does gain spins based on his level. 5 spins @ level 1 6 @ 4 7 @ 7 8 @ 10 9 @ 13 10 @ 16
SwiftKitten883 votesgaren is exceedingly strong at the moment.
i dont know enough about his inner workings to know if this is a buff or a nerf.. but... he is in desperate need of nerfs at the moment
Ragnaveil1 votesThe issue is his his entire kit -W. -Passive just lets him stay in lane for as long as he wants (not to mention the change where the regen is increased at lower health) not to mention it doesn't get turned off by minion damage (idk if Cannon turns it off or not still).
The little mini rework and the small changes they gave him (the Juggernaut update, the Garen update on 7.14 and the E change on 6.24) put him in a good spot in the old rune system. Come to present, and pretty much everyone top lane has less armor than before, which means he does more damage.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesThe issue is his his entire kit -W. -Passive just lets him stay in lane for as long as he wants (not to mention the change where the regen is increased at lower health) not to mention it doesn't get turned off by minion damage (idk if Cannon turns it off or not still).
- Q has a 40% AD ratio with his high base AD, allows him to hit for ~150 a Q + Grasp damage.
- E gets a free Black Cleaver. Which makes early E into Q chunk like a jhin fourth shot on a 50% hp level 1 target with low starting armor.
- R gives you true damage against the person who is playing good on the enemy team. On top of the execute turning into true damage as well.
The little mini rework and the small changes they gave him (the Juggernaut update, the Garen update on 7.14 and the E change on 6.24) put him in a good spot in the old rune system. Come to present, and pretty much everyone top lane has less armor than before, which means he does more damage.
how is any of this different then darius? other then the sustain passive and the bonus armor/mr damage reduction on W?
darius gets true damage, aoe heal with Q, a slow /auto reset with W and a grab with E with armor pen passive with true damage on ult plus his passive with bleed stacking increasing his damage?
Ragnaveil1 votesDarius doesn't deal 1% max HP in true damage with everything. He only gets that true damage if he keeps Conqueror refreshed if he's even running it. The Q heal he has to position himself right to get the maximum damage and heal from. He also has to get either 5 stacks on one target or a reset to gain his "true" damage potential.
However, Darius has a very very clear weakness to being kited and stunlocked. Also Darius can't get a guaranteed execute to much as people would believe. You can hover the tooltip and it will show you how much damage it can do, compared to Garen who gets a true execute if someone is low. Sure, Garen's doesn't reset, but for not having a reset, he can be tanky. Darius on the other hand has to build Damage Health and Resists to survive and keep dunking, and even then he's not guaranteed to run away with every game.
And for the E, as much as Darius gets free arm pen and a pull, Garen gets damage per spin while also refreshing the arm pen every hit after the 4th spin. Garen gets 25% for 6+ seconds (depending on how many hits of E after the 4th) all ranks. Darius gets 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30% based on spell rank, and he always maxes this skill second.
Also, pretty sure Black Cleaver stacks with Garen's E, so there's that.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesDarius doesn't deal 1% max HP in true damage with everything. He only gets that true damage if he keeps Conqueror refreshed if he's even running it. The Q heal he has to position himself right to get the maximum damage and heal from. He also has to get either 5 stacks on one target or a reset to gain his "true" damage potential.
However, Darius has a very very clear weakness to being kited and stunlocked. Also Darius can't get a guaranteed execute to much as people would believe. You can hover the tooltip and it will show you how much damage it can do, compared to Garen who gets a true execute if someone is low. Sure, Garen's doesn't reset, but for not having a reset, he can be tanky. Darius on the other hand has to build Damage Health and Resists to survive and keep dunking, and even then he's not guaranteed to run away with every game.
And for the E, as much as Darius gets free arm pen and a pull, Garen gets damage per spin while also refreshing the arm pen every hit after the 4th spin. Garen gets 25% for 6+ seconds (depending on how many hits of E after the 4th) all ranks. Darius gets 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30% based on spell rank, and he always maxes this skill second.
Also, pretty sure Black Cleaver stacks with Garen's E, so there's that.
garen dont do 1%max true damage on everything. garens ult isnt a true execute. you can ult people and if they arent low enough it wont kill the target. garen E can stack with Black Clever so can Darius's E passive
garen maxes E 2nd just as darius maxes E 2nd. garen's armor shred is conditional if he hits you with 4 spins of E , darius is for all damage . autos and abilities .
darius ult cant be blocked with hexdrinker or other mr items. the only thing to keep you from dying to darius ult is not being low enough to die to it.
Ragnaveil1 votesgaren dont do 1%max true damage on everything. garens ult isnt a true execute. you can ult people and if they arent low enough it wont kill the target.
Do you understand what his R passive is. The moment Garen gets the mark on you, you legit fear for your life.
Critmaster Garen1 votesDo you understand what his R passive is. The moment Garen gets the mark on you, you legit fear for your life.
and against darius you always fear for your life. i dont see the problem.
Ragnaveil1 votesBut least if 'im actually doing good against him, I wont have to fear him much. The moment I get that R passive on me from Garen, I cant do anything to him without worrying about losing my entire hp bar in 3 spells.
Critmaster Garen1 votesBut least if 'im actually doing good against him, I wont have to fear him much. The moment I get that R passive on me from Garen, I cant do anything to him without worrying about losing my entire hp bar in 3 spells.
you cant get it from garen himself. only by killing his allies.
Ragnaveil1 votes"The enemy with the most kills in the last 5 minutes is marked as the Villain. The mark cannot be assigned to another champion while Garen is in combat with the Villain. If more than one enemy has the same bounty, the enemy who received it first is marked the Villain." It doesn't say so here. And that's the tooltip.
Critmaster Garen1 votes"The enemy with the most kills in the last 5 minutes is marked as the Villain. The mark cannot be assigned to another champion while Garen is in combat with the Villain. If more than one enemy has the same bounty, the enemy who received it first is marked the Villain." It doesn't say so here. And that's the tooltip.
trust me, its how it works. people used to be able to get villain stacks by killing garen. but that was specifically removed shortly after the juggernaut rework, because it became a problem in lane.
you cant become the villain by killing garen. only the other champions on his team.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesDo you understand what his R passive is. The moment Garen gets the mark on you, you legit fear for your life.
that is only IF YOU ARE THE VILLAIN!!!
Ragnaveil1 votesYeah, but you didn't even mention the villain at all. You are defending the champ, yet for some odd reason you say this, "garen dont do 1%max true damage on everything. garens ult isnt a true execute. you can ult people and if they arent low enough it wont kill the target." The bloody issue is mainly his villain passive, and the fact people have less armor than before. The passive should honestly affect his ult and autos only.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesYeah, but you didn't even mention the villain at all. You are defending the champ, yet for some odd reason you say this, "garen dont do 1%max true damage on everything. garens ult isnt a true execute. you can ult people and if they arent low enough it wont kill the target." The bloody issue is mainly his villain passive, and the fact people have less armor than before. The passive should honestly affect his ult and autos only.
so the issue is a conditional passive where he has to get to the villain ?
OK
that isnt the issue that makes garen strong.
darius does true damage to any target with ULT and its an EXECUTE as well
im not defending garen. im providing balance to the bias argument which is the issue with every post on the boards.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesMATTER OF FACT: garen has had that villain passive for a while now and before the last few months he was subpar at best. so once again that conditional passive on his ult isnt what or why garen is strong.
2ndly people alot of them go triforce on garen over black cleaver so its not just black cleaver stacking with his E passive either.
garen still has bad match ups in lane.
is garen strong ? YES is garen a simple champ mechanically? YES is garen flat broken? NOPE
True Garen4 voteshttps://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Garen
Passive: The enemy with the most kills in the last 5 minutes is marked as the Villain. The mark cannot be assigned to another champion while Garen is in combat with the Villain. If more than one enemy has the same bounty, the enemy who received it first is marked the Villain.
Kills against Garen will not be considered when determining the Villain.
You can't become the villain by killing Garen, as other posters have noted.
Also, Cleaver stacks with Garen E only multiplicatively, which makes it relatively inefficient on Garen at the moment.
Critmaster Garen2 votesgaren is exceedingly strong at the moment.
i dont know enough about his inner workings to know if this is a buff or a nerf.. but... he is in desperate need of nerfs at the moment
he already fell off this patch. he didnt deserve nerfs before, since the meta was just fucking stupid and favoured him like crazy. but he certainly doesnt deserve them now.
yesterday it was a 6% winrate drop to 47% winrate at plat+
even if he normalizes himself to 50% over the next couple of days, there is literally no reason to nerf him at this point.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesThat's...literally in the game right now. You must be referring to the amount of tick damage Garen deals as he levels each time.
Thorn Fierce Red1 votesBuild this 
and spin like a ballerina.
Pandemic Punch1 votesHe already does this...
MrFawknSunshine1 votesGaren rapidly spins his sword around his body 「 5 - 10 (based on level) times 」 for 3 seconds, dealing physical damage with each spin to nearby enemies.
PHYSICAL DAMAGE PER SPIN:» 14 / 18 / 22 / 26 / 30 (+ 36 / 37 / 38 / 39 / 40% AD) While spinning, Garen cannot basic attack and is Ghost ghosted.
Judgment deals 33% bonus damage when hitting a single target and can critically strike for 50% bonus damage.
Enemy champions hit 4 times have their armor reduced by 25% for 6 seconds. Hits after the 4th refresh the duration of the debuff.
so due to this people dont max E 1st on garen cuz it scales with CHAMP LEVEL hence why you see either 3 points into Q then E max or Q max then E you dont have to stand in his E(spin) if you get out of it or disengage from it before it hits 4 times dont have their armor reduced.
where as Darius with his E passive just gets flat armor pen that is good on any ability or auto attacks.
