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Nothing is free with Janna

Ahristocats··9 votes·707 views

Q costs 150 mana W slows herself E doesn't give ad if the shield is destroyed R is a gameruining spell if used wrong

can we stop with "janna is a freelo broken champ"=?

i have OFFICIALY become tired of arguing with people about janna's skillcap

Janna's win rate goes from 49% to 57% with 60 games So YES there is a skillcap

a bad janna does not know how to use Q properly to stop dashes a bad janna does not know when to shield to prevent the shield from being destroyed quickly and losing the bonus AD in 2v2 without talking about her R, and her passive alone encourages great positioning to give movement speed to allies

now what is broken about janna? is it her ability to stop a dash? because that's her ENTIRE kit, if you pick janna into a team without dashes you're going to be completly useless because 300 hp shield is worse than anything an enchenter can bring.

"she makes melee useless" how is that special to janna?

did you ever play against Braum ? because he makes you EVEN MORE useless withh is knock up+slow field, his passive stun and his Q that is almost a snare or Thresh low cd hook in late game, combined with ult and low cd E

"but janna win rate blablabla"

https://i.gyazo.com/30e2ce8872177abb617e31b45e442514.png

i'm sorry? how is 50.9% anywhere broken? can we talk about Bard 51.5% win rate? Blitzcrank 51.7% win rate? by that logic they're broken too and needs a nerf?

right now the only overpowered supports are maokai and POTENTIALLY Thresh as meddler said he's on the radar, and we don't yet if Lulu nerfs made her balanced right now

17 Comments

NinjaGuy698 votes

can we stop with "janna is a freelo broken champ"?

i have OFFICIALY become tired of arguing with people about janna's skillcap

Janna's win rate goes from 49% to 57% with 60 games So YES there is a skillcap

I mean I don't think she's broken at the moment, but she is a pretty brainless champion for the most part. She's just one of those older enchanter supports like Sona or Soraka who are equally as brainless but are only good at the moment because they synergize so well with support items like Redemption, Ardent Censer and Locket of the Iron Solari.

Sure, she takes a bit of skill because you actually have to aim her Q, but for the majority of the game, you're just left-clicking on people. If I were you, I wouldn't go around commenting about "good" Janna players versus bad ones, because in all honesty, her skill ceiling is very close to her skill floor. I would just continue playing Janna and enjoy the freelo while the support items are still broken.

Penns6 votes

There is a semi-high skillcap but its like with Yi, skillfloor is like.. in the cellar xd You said yourself all she does is press E in lane.

Also she isnt bad at all against stuff like Darius/Voli/.. and she is just as good against Zed or Kat who have no dashes to stop. Its not just a 300 hp shield its also 50 bonus AD.

Ahristocats4 votes

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You said yourself all she does is press E in lane.

LOL not anymore, how the fuck do you get gold with spellthief now if you only do that ? she excells in poke by increasing her ADC damage

but now she has to AA the enemies to get gold, sometimes shielding herself to prevent damage

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Also she isnt bad at all against stuff like Darius/Voli/..

yes she is worse than the other supports against them lulu thresh braum or nami

janna has way less peeling than the other supports, however her peeling can stop dashes

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and she is just as good against Zed or Kat who have no dashes to stop.

she's good against kat because she can stop her ult instantly she's good against zed because the dude revolves around dealing damage in a fraction of second, if you manage to disengage a bit his ult won't deal a lot of damage

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Its not just a 300 hp shield its also 50 bonus AD.

not if it's destroyed

Starcraft243ver1 votes

Actually Yi has a truly high skill cap. Champions with low skill cap are the tanky ones in general because they are allowed to take a skillshot and a CC without instantly dying.

The more squishy and immobile your champion is, the harder it is to play him, since any mistake will be punished by instant death, while playing a tank, or a very mobile champion (lb, fizz, zed ...) is a lot more forgiving.

Just my 2 cents.

Penns2 votes

He does, thats what I was saying. But their skill floor is low, so basically anyone can play them effectively. Not like Azir or Riven who have a high skill cap but also a high skill floor.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

Oh right, I missread skill floor and skill cap.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Sure her skillcap may be high but any player can pick up Janna and still do very well....

I play her occasionally and I don't find her hard whatsoever. What she does (peel and screw over meleed) she's does exceptionally well without much effort.

I think the coin changes just forced her out of an uber passive play style and she's sufferings but for it because of her low base stats. She's not broken but she's still super strong and not very hard to play whatsoever.

Ahristocats1 votes

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Sure her skullcap may be high but any player can pick up Janna and still do very well....

Not any player any support player

i would agree with this but any player cannot do good with janna

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I play her occasionally and I don't find her hard whatsoever. What she does (peel and screw over memes) she's does exceptionally well without much effort.

that's like your personal experience

during my way to mastery 7 i ruined many games with janna with her ult and i didn't know how to use her Q properly

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I think the coin changes just forced her out of an uber passive play style

agreed

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but she's still super strong and not very hard to play whatsoever.

i never said she's weak who the fuck said she's hard? i said there is a skillcap that makes a difference between a bad janna and a good janna

this does not mean she's hard, but this means there is a difference between a challenger janna main and a bronze janna main

chipndip11 votes

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this does not mean she's hard, but this means there is a difference between a challenger janna main and a bronze janna main

You can say this for basically any and every champ. The point is if there's an appreciable difference, and in Janna's case, there is more so than some other champs like Sona or Teemo, but not enough in general since most of her bread n' butter play is "shield someone near me".

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I don't know why but I laughed when I read skullcap.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Yeah I typed this quickly over lunch, didn't check for typos

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I feel you. I turned off autocorrect a long time ago becuase it hurts more than helps when writing nontypical words like champ names and league concepts.

Pie Cubed1 votes

Yes.

Bisaknosp1 votes

when redmercy picked janna support and said the likes of her and soraka are easy i just wanted to murder him

esp when he played like shit afterwards

BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votes

Who's been complaining about Janna?

Anyways, her skill cap is pretty low and basic but if you want to do some creative stuff with her then yes her skill cap will go up.

Also win rate isn't the only thing aggregated when looking at champion balance, the thing most people find frustrating about Janna is that she resets team fight too easy.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Look I have made the same argument about Soraka. People think she's just a W bot when she's much more. No amount of argument will change their mind, you can only show them wrong when you pull off all your skill to pull their bum out of a teamfight with no deaths on your team.

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