Please make ARAM random...

Saianna·Mar 29, 2016·11 votes·1,474 views

Game after game after game after game after game I'm facing against the same champions. All the time.

it is simply not fun...

28 Comments

HethaleanMar 29, 20162 votes

You might be facing a lot of ARAM smurfs who only own the OP Aram champions.

SaiannaMar 29, 20161 votes

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.. You see... I know all of this. I'm ARAM "veteran". I've kept on saying the same words as you are saying to me today..

(I even made 2-3 successful ARAM-temed threads in past <- I am really proud of those!)

HethaleanMar 29, 20163 votes

Part of me wonders if ARAM would be different if the entire champion pool was open to everyone for only ARAM of course. On the one hand, it prevents smurfs who only own Sona + Garen (for instance). On the other hand, Riot does put a lot of effort into these champions, so is it fair to not make ARAM only people work for them too? I don't know the solution.

John 13 34Mar 29, 20161 votes

Increase the number of champs required to queue for ARAM.

Put a champion on cooldown if you've used it recently (i.e. can't roll the champ for a time period, number of matches, etc). I realize this goes against the grain of "random" but if you're trying to prevent people from spamming Lux and Sona this would work.

SaiannaMar 29, 20162 votes

Yuck Qi, your ideas won't work... Even if smurf will get 1 champion on cooldown doesn't mean he can't pick 19 other OP picks. And then you have 9 other players.

Your idea only fixes "lucky multiple picks", which might happen to anyone.

darkmatchwaldoMar 29, 20161 votes

If a champion goes on CD it no longer becomes random...

John 13 34Mar 29, 20161 votes

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If a champion goes on CD it no longer becomes random...

I literally said that in my comment.

SaiannaMar 29, 20161 votes

On the other hand, Riot does put a lot of effort into these champions, so is it fair to not make ARAM only people work for them too? I don't know the solution.

This isn't the case why we didn't get full champion pool. It's easier actually.

Skins & champions for RP.

What's the best way of getting runes, rune pages and champions? Get them for RP. You can build working ARAM account in under 10$ and 1 day of playing. And if you'd pay extra, you'll get some skins too. I've noticed awful lot of smuf accounts having lots of skins. If all champions were free then there would be no point in having that "cool arclight varus skin" anymore.

And here's my fix for that. Make full ARAM champion pool. Allow us to buy skins for champions we do not own. Only usable in ARAM. For 2/3 price or so.

darkmatchwaldoMar 29, 20161 votes

If i could buy runes with $ i wouldn't have garbage rune pages. I wish i could but runes with RP.

StarrakaMar 29, 20161 votes

well now that ARAM is getting loot drops alot more "normal" players will be playing it.

LostFr0stMar 29, 20162 votes

As someone who plays a lot of ARAM, I do wish they would unlock all champs.
However, I'm glad they added mark/dash in the meantime.

A couple questions: Do you think the ARAM re-roll algorithm is too high? (as in too easy to get a re-roll) Should different classes of champs yield different re-roll credit values?

SirsirMar 29, 20161 votes

Nah the reroll system is fine as is. Gives you a chance to not be scummed in champ select by getting Ashe Caitlyn Draven Garen Lucian

SaiannaMar 29, 20162 votes

Do you think the ARAM re-roll algorithm is too high? (as in too easy to get a re-roll)

The more champs you have, the faster you get your next reroll. For me it's about 1 reroll per game. From my friends I've heard you need about 4 games if your champion pool is slim. Ofc this algorithm gets worse the more champions Riot makes due to powercreep logic.

Should different classes of champs yield different re-roll credit values?

You mean "Player earns more reroll points if he plays Evelynn than if he were to play Lux"? I'd say no.. Players dodge when they get shitty champions. This would only force them to dodge more.

I'd just make it fair for all. All champion pool and best luck wins.

LostFr0stMar 29, 20163 votes

Don't you think that would make ARAM less welcoming to new players?

Wasn't there a post by a rioter recently on a pass being done to ARAM in the coming months... I'll try to find it.

Edit found it: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/qTePvlpc-i-really-wish-aram-would-get-at-least-05-of-attention-sr-gets?comment=002800070000 It was on one of your threads lol.

SaiannaMar 29, 20161 votes

ARAM pass eh..

Rioters knew from the evry beggining how "weak" their players champion pool is. They know very well that lots of players would want it updated to full pool.

Don't you think that would make ARAM less welcoming to new players?

I'm afraid I don't understand.. What would make ARAM less welcoming for new players? Full champion pool? How rerolls work? Please elaborate :)

LostFr0stMar 29, 20163 votes

Sure^^

Imagine that you're a new player and you roll... lets say Trundle, bad by most standards on ARAM unless you know how to build him and what he does since he has very few damaging abilities (new players like to press buttons and don't auto as much). In turn, you get raged at by your team for sucking.

You shake it off and queue up again... rolling a mage. Great! Good roll right? but you rolled Vlad, a champ with many intricacies to his damage so you suck and get raged at again for not trading/practicing etc. (I know he's getting reworked, humor me here).

Your champ pool is small and the ARAM pool is now huge. Right now you can either get your owned champs or the free-rotation champs which gives you a bit of a heads up on what you might get. You'll never 'get better' throughout the week like you do now.

At least until rotating game mode queue is added for a bit I don't think they should unlock all champs on ARAM since it is the only short mode available right now.

SaiannaMar 29, 20162 votes

You just described the best part of ARAM, where you don't know what you'll get.

Will you suck with it? Most likely but that's the "learning process" in ARAM

I myself had few games where I've never played a champion at all. It was slightly enraging.. but hey.. I'd have to learn how to play them eventually :)

LostFr0stMar 29, 20162 votes

I know what you're saying, and I would love that about an unlocked ARAM. For new players it isn't though. It would be infuriating.

I don't want to erase the grin on new players' faces when the get a champ they know on ARAM, because it would be few and far between if they make this change without the rotating queue to replace the experience.

If they want a short mode they usually turn to ARAM and a lot of them are trying for their first win of the day and don't have time for Rift.
Please don't say 'play bots for it' that's not a solution. -_-
Yes they will eventually get carried, that's how it is for ARAM. I know. However they don't want to be rocks every game.

AerilusMar 29, 20162 votes

Yeah it's really annoying to play ARAM after you've gotten good after playing only 20 or so 'good' games at it you start seeing the same ARAM accounts every game. Lux Teemo Ziggs Sona Nidalee Ashe every game and usually not on my team, then somehow I get the all melee team while the enemy gets 5 of those. (Yes I know melee can be very good in ARAM, such as Nautilus, Alistar, Trynd, Rammus, but usually getting all melee will be owned if teams are about equally skilled)

John 13 34Mar 29, 20161 votes

I own every champion and there are some I have never, ever rolled. The champs I most often get seem to be the ones I use a lot in other matches. I've played about 500 ARAM matches so this can't be simply luck.

HethaleanMar 29, 20161 votes

Yeah I merely own half of the champions. I kept a list of the last 140 games or so. There are some champions that I never get (like Taric. I know I've gotten taric at least once but I can't think of other champs I own but haven't gotten in those games) and some that I've seen 8+ times (including rr's and such) like Fiddlesticks.

SaiannaMar 29, 20161 votes

As you know there are no doublers in ARAM, so if enemy has picked Shyvana in champion select, the you cannot get her. And if her rerolled her while you didn't reroll, then your chance of getting her via random and Shyvana won't be in game.

darkmatchwaldoMar 29, 20161 votes

Going up against a certain champion doesn't decrease your odds of seeing them again it doesn't work that way.

SaiannaMar 29, 20161 votes

dude... what are you smoking?

darkmatchwaldoMar 29, 20161 votes

If you get a lux in one game, your odds of getting a lux in your next game is exactly the same as it was the first time..

TwigglesMar 29, 20162 votes

He's saying he's sick of seeing the same champs over and over again. People who only get the champs best at ARAM.

My suggestion: Open the entire roster for everyone in ARAM. I still wouldn't play it, but at least that would solve the problem.

1000angrybeesMar 29, 20161 votes

Honestly, I just hate playing half the roster so I'd rather not get champs i dont like, but i still see the point here.

Best Lolicon NAMar 30, 20161 votes

A lot of people roll ARAM only accounts so they can reliably get OP in ARAM champions more often, an easy fix for this would be just to unlock all champions for ARAM.