Anyone realized that Jinx has 55% win rate and 18% pick rate?

D357R0Y3R·Apr 1, 2019·37 votes·16,033 views

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/grid/

https://i.gyazo.com/1d0bd55ee7ca6cfcdf3af1384b57354f.png

cuz I just realized it now

how is it ok?

119 Comments

MeserionApr 1, 201928 votes

She's less cancerous compared to certain ADCs that abuse a certain item item 3124 . to do insane amounts of damage. She is strong but infinitely manageable compared to Vayne

InfernapeApr 1, 201923 votes

Yes. She needs nerfs, as does Vayne.

She's one of those champs that always slips under the radar.

SCP 106Apr 1, 201914 votes

Jinx is so broken nerf that champion, Every single game I see one and the enemy wins

Romans VI XXIIIApr 1, 201912 votes

Same reason it's okay for vayne and riv to be up there to I guess

But she isnt as frustrating to play against so when you lose to her it seems more fair than agaisnt riv/vayne which is why you dont see the boards full of "nerf jinx"

But she is fairly strong atm with indirect buffs.

Chembaron YamadaApr 2, 201913 votes

which is why you dont see the boards full of "nerd jinx"

I actually wouldn't mind to see nerd jinx way more frequently here. https://66.media.tumblr.com/2ec824ee2d6f8017db504004480812b1/tumblr_ozhkuyatmr1wt7ek9o1_400.png She looks cute in that attire.

Malix FarwinApr 2, 20191 votes

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Same reason it's okay for vayne and riv to be up there to I guess

But she isnt as frustrating to play against so when you lose to her it seems more fair than agaisnt riv/vayne which is why you dont see the boards full of "nerd jinx"

But she is fairly strong atm with indirect buffs.

If you are using Vayne as an example of being "Okay" well i got news for you. Vayne is on this list of "Definite" nerfs from Riot, their question right now isnt if they will nerf Vayne but how. So by the same token they should be looking at Jinx as well.

Chembaron YamadaApr 2, 20198 votes

She is? The last time I read a statement about Vayne was "she is very close to the line of needing a nerf, but didn't cross it yet".

Romans VI XXIIIApr 2, 20193 votes

Exactly this lol, Riot has not said they ARE nerfing vayne.

Moody PApr 1, 201911 votes

Ugh. More anti ADC bias on Boards. How unexpected.

For your information, Jinx is fine right now. In fact, because marksmen are the only champs who see bot lane, these stats probably aren't even that accurate and she's actually just balanced and the rest of the marksmen are weak.

Jinx has always had a high pickrate because people think she's FUN.

D357R0Y3RApr 1, 201917 votes

What the heck moody, it's no time to make jokes HELLO we have a champion with 55% win rate, do you want to lose so badly?

Sir SaltarinApr 1, 20198 votes

because marksmen are the only champs who see bot lane

I wish

D357R0Y3RApr 1, 20193 votes

Being able to play swain botlane is good in plat tbh, I had way too much zed otp only picking zed when our team was full ad

Sir SaltarinApr 2, 20193 votes

Man I just miss Corki not being dogshit on Botlane.

AirKingNeoApr 2, 20194 votes

KEEP RANGED IN BOT

AND OUT OF TOP

post made by top lane gang

FOR JUSTICEApr 2, 20197 votes

when youve got vayne ezreal or lucian running around two shotting you jinx seems pretty ok.

especially cause unlike the other three, if you're on top of her you stay that way. cause who doesnt like instant mobility on a basic ability on a decent cooldown?

plus shes pretty much the go-to if the higher up meta picks are banned.

Ahri BakaApr 2, 20194 votes

They nerfed AD items on season 8 , so they buffed her and then they buffed her twice and now they reverted ad items buffs , doesn't that make sense ? She got 3 direct buffs

But I can't say her winrate is 55% , Lolyatics shows winrates 1.2 % higher than normal so it's 53.8% But yeah ,

D357R0Y3RApr 2, 20191 votes

how do you see "win rate higher than the normal" ?

All I can see is 55% win rate, and when I click on jinx I see the graph showing a win rate curve wandering from 54% to 55% depending on days

Ahri BakaApr 2, 20191 votes

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how do you see "win rate higher than the normal" ?

All I can see is 55% win rate, and when I click on jinx I see the graph showing a win rate curve wandering from 54% to 55% depending on days

a Rioter mentioned on Reddit that Lolyatics stats aren't exactly accurate , tho the site gives the closest info about stats except that it shows winrates 1.2 higher than usual

Sir SaltarinApr 2, 20191 votes

Lolalytics always gives more winrate to almost all champs, regardless of that Jinx is really strong on soloQ right now

Moody PApr 2, 20193 votes

looks like I am validated and juggernauts really are weak if an even win rate is still an overestimation

epic win for me

Sir SaltarinApr 2, 20191 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/b6jlue/lolalytics_systematically_inflates_winrates_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Moody PApr 2, 20191 votes

Buff Illaoi

Sir SaltarinApr 2, 20191 votes

Yes, she's really buff

Anime FizzApr 1, 20193 votes

And 2% ban rate.

So shes broken yet nobody at any elo including competitive bans her.

Why? Because shes not a problem when shes strong, why do you want nerfs for her exactly? She doesnt create nor warp a meta, she like nami/sona are champs that dont break the game when they are strong (and the later 2 have been very strong for years too btw yet nobody talks about nami 54% wr 18% pick rate).

Its better for champs like that to be strong than something like lucian, when lucian is meta almost every other adc becomes unplayable and the meta becomes lucian vs the 1~2 adcs that can survive lucian (which is usually ezreal).

OP is a lucian main btw, the second any adc can actually contest his champ its obviously cause its broken op and needs to be nerfed, only lucian is allowed to have a pickrate above 15% and wr above 52% for years straight.

D357R0Y3RApr 1, 201911 votes

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And 2% ban rate.

I don't understand this argument, a lot of champions with 0% ban rate got nerfed in the past : -Ivern -Janna -Jhin -Corki

she like nami/sona are champs that dont break the game when they are strong (and the later 2 have been very strong for years too btw yet nobody talks about nami 54% wr 18% pick rate).

Bad example, they both got nerfed Nami got a single nerf Sona was olafed 3 patches in a row last year

when lucian is meta almost every other adc becomes unplayable

Lol nice one He has sub 50% win rate in pro, in high elo and in plat+ Jinx has a higher win rate than him + destroy him match up stat wise If lucian makes everyone unplayable why does he have 48% win rate and 21% pick rate?

Jinx has 3 less pick rate but has fucking 55% win rate omegalul If every adc is unplayable because of lucian how comes ezreal MF draven vayne kai'sa cait Jinx are playable? the only unplayable adcs are garbage adcs, not because of lucian being meta.

even fucking sivir has 53% win rate and 10% pick rate, how is lucian making her unplayable

Anime FizzApr 1, 20194 votes

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I don't understand this argument, a lot of champions with 0% ban rate got nerfed in the past : -Ivern -Janna -Jhin -Corki

Bad example, they both got nerfed Nami got a single nerf Sona was olafed 3 patches in a row last year

Lol nice one He has sub 50% win rate in pro, in high elo and in plat+ Jinx has a higher win rate than him + destroy him match up stat wise If lucian makes everyone unplayable why does he have 48% win rate and 21% pick rate?

Jinx has 3 less pick rate but has fucking 55% win rate omegalul If every adc is unplayable because of lucian how comes ezreal MF draven vayne kai'sa cait Jinx are playable? the only unplayable adcs are garbage adcs, not because of lucian being meta.

even fucking sivir has 53% win rate and 10% pick rate, how is lucian making her unplayable

Its funny because since she has a non existent ban rate the ban rates suddenly dont matter anymore (since it doenst help your point you ignore it), but if she had a 50% ban rate i can bet you'd be screaming about it too.

Its easy to completely ignore the last 6months~~year of bot lane being lucian vs 1~~2 adcs that survive him isnt it? When he had 53% wr and almost 40% pick rate?

This is the first or second patch in like a year that lucian actually went under 50%, lets call for nerfs for every champ bot lane until lucian is back to being the only viable thing there!

D357R0Y3RApr 1, 20194 votes

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Its funny because since she has a non existent ban rate the ban rates suddenly dont matter anymore (since it doenst help your point you ignore it), but if she had a 50% ban rate i can bet you'd be screaming about it too.

No, you'rre either manipulating arguments or not realizing that you're wrong

Just because ban rate is high = op champion doesn't mean immediatly that ban rate is low = not op champion PROOF: low ban rate champions got nerfed in the past.

it's like in medicine there are symptoms for meningitis, those symptoms tell if they're present that the patient has meningitis. However if the patient doesn't have them it DOESN'T MEAN that he doesn't have a meningitis.

Its easy to completely ignore the last 6months~~year of bot lane being lucian vs 1~~2 adcs that survive him isnt it? When he had 53% wr and almost 40% pick rate?

Well yea... I live in the present, thank god he got a nerf and his win rate dropped to 48% now I'm over it and I focus on patch 9.6.

Chembaron YamadaApr 2, 20192 votes

Low banrate at least indicates that the majority of people simply doesn't care that she is strong.

Z3SleeperApr 2, 20192 votes

Or that she's going under the radar, since Jinx being strong is much harder for players to notice than say Riven abusing Spear, Vayne abusing Rageblade or Yasuo being Yasuo.

Sir SaltarinApr 2, 20194 votes

If lucian makes everyone unplayable why does he have 48% win rate and 21% pick rate?

Don't be that biased, he said when he's meta as he was some patches ago, he was busted since the random Q buff he got for Worlds until the last nerf and all that time he did make a lot of adcs unplayable since no one could face him on lane.

Frog goes mooApr 2, 20192 votes

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I don't understand this argument, a lot of champions with 0% ban rate got nerfed in the past : -Ivern -Janna -Jhin -Corki

Bad example, they both got nerfed Nami got a single nerf Sona was olafed 3 patches in a row last year

Lol nice one He has sub 50% win rate in pro, in high elo and in plat+ Jinx has a higher win rate than him + destroy him match up stat wise If lucian makes everyone unplayable why does he have 48% win rate and 21% pick rate?

Jinx has 3 less pick rate but has fucking 55% win rate omegalul If every adc is unplayable because of lucian how comes ezreal MF draven vayne kai'sa cait Jinx are playable? the only unplayable adcs are garbage adcs, not because of lucian being meta.

even fucking sivir has 53% win rate and 10% pick rate, how is lucian making her unplayable

don't forget aurelion sol

SanKakUApr 2, 20192 votes

Is Lucian meta or is he just an overplayed newb-stomper? Not saying he's bad if he's the latter, just that there aren't enough decent Lucian players compared to decent Jinx players is clearly what the winrate difference means. Does it mean that Lucian is harder to play than Jinx? Pretty much I should think so. I can't put my finger on why so many people find him hard to play but they really do.

D357R0Y3RApr 2, 20192 votes

Yes he is meta?

he's in top3 most played adc in pro has 20% pick rate I would call that meta

it's just that right now, he isn't broken af to make all other adcs unplayable there are like 8 other adcs with more than 50% win rate + more than 5% pick rate the adcs that aren't are just trash on their own it's not lucian's fault

Hypochondria9Apr 2, 20193 votes

Jinx is a teamfighting ADC her AOE when crit is good is actually insane. They should have rockets do less crit damage.

The thigh guyApr 2, 20193 votes

Immobile. No hard cc. High telegraphed skillshots.

Pretty sure her only redeeming feature is he extra long range and aoe crits. Which need 2 items to be even half online.

Pick any burst champion into her and she physically can’t do anything about it.

If at any point you lose a fight into a jinx, it’s completely on you.

ParoeApr 2, 20194 votes

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Immobile. No hard cc. High telegraphed skillshots.

Pretty sure her only redeeming feature is he extra long range and aoe crits. Which need 2 items to be even half online.

Pick any burst champion into her and she physically can’t do anything about it.

If at any point you lose a fight into a jinx, it’s completely on you.

175% MS on kill. Root on chompers. 80% slow on E. 150 additional range on rockets.

Jinx is a quietly powerful champion, much like quinn and graves. Weve just kind of all internalized that shes "strong", so we dont notice or complain about it much.

The thigh guyApr 2, 20192 votes

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175% MS on kill. Root on chompers. 80% slow on E. 150 additional range on rockets.

Jinx is a quietly powerful champion, much like quinn and graves. Weve just kind of all internalized that shes "strong", so we dont notice or complain about it much.

On kill. If she can’t get kills. She doesn’t get the reset
They have a arming timer. So if you ever get rooted by a jinx. It is 190% your fault. She can’t use them reactionary.
Highly telegraphed straight line skillshot
Fair enough. That’s her main strength. That’s basicallt all she does consistently.

Yes she is powerful, but not so much that she can’t be dealt with like other monsters in this game.

AhrisApr 2, 20192 votes

Dude, getting hit by any cc is your fault lol. Jinx's root is infact super powerful because it also stops dashes, and it also stays for a while, meaning other champs cant really go in on her much.

The thigh guyApr 2, 20191 votes

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Dude, getting hit by any cc is your fault lol. Jinx's root is infact super powerful because it also stops dashes, and it also stays for a while, meaning other champs cant really go in on her much.

Her root isn’t that strong. It’s EXTREMELY telegraphed. And I mean to the point where she cannot control if it will even hit you by herself, and yeah it stops dashes, but so do most other ccs. Also the arming timer means it can only be used in a choke point effective.

AhrisApr 2, 20191 votes

Most cc dont stop dashes, it is telegraphed, duh, it is sitting there. If jinx puts the trap on the right place during teamfight, nobody can even come near her

The thigh guyApr 2, 20191 votes

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Most cc dont stop dashes, it is telegraphed, duh, it is sitting there. If jinx puts the trap on the right place during teamfight, nobody can even come near her

A lot of ccs stop dashes. And it’s more than telegraphed. Yes it just sits there, but it also has an arming timer. There is a huge window that the traps are on the ground and can’t do anything.

It’s actully the most delayed and easily countered cc in the game by miles.

2Charmnot2CharmApr 2, 20191 votes

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A lot of ccs stop dashes.

The ONLY CC that universally stops dashes is displacements (knock ups/ pushes and pulls).

There are some special cases like Ashe, Jinx, and Veigar of course but the general rule is if it doesn't displaces you then it won't stop dashes.

GigglesOApr 2, 20193 votes

I’d still rather fight her than Vayne...

CronofugeApr 2, 20193 votes

Yeah we realized when people started bitching about it on the boards after the crit item rework and her WR skyrocketed. They just need to undo her crit buffs and it'll tone back a lot of excess power. If that doesn't help just repeal more of the buffs she got while crit was in the dumpster. Item changes affect her wildly compared to other champions and when they nerfed her items she got weak, they buffed her but then buffed her items without adjusting her. Only natural she'd come out over the top.

TotalJerkApr 2, 20193 votes

She's always been one of those champions that gets busted as fuck and people don't notice right away.

TimeToDieSuckersApr 2, 20192 votes

The reason jinx hasn't been nerfed is because her ban rate is so low. Since very few people are complaining about jinx, riot likely want to leave her strong for that fatty skin $$$$ due to her high pickrate which will fall if nerfed. At least its far easier to kill a jinx, compared to the 1v1 and teamfighting god vayne.

SaevumApr 2, 20192 votes

She has no stealth. Movement speed due to passive? conditional. More counterplay? damn right.

LeetriApr 2, 20192 votes

It's cause she doesn't have mobility. If she had a single dash, even if it was garbage, the boards would cry their guts out about how BS and oppressive she is. People cry about Yasuo and Lee Sin even when they're garbage because mobility = bad.

faureApr 2, 20192 votes

She is very strong but doesn't feel oppressive the way other ADCs (looking at you, Vanye) do. Early game is ass unless the other lane is mindlessly feeding her kills, and she has a lot less self-peel compared to Vanye, Ezreal, Luc, etc. She should probably be looked at though, if anything nerfing the movespeed bonus she gets on kill, after they get Vanye ofc...