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What the hell is Happening on this PBE patch?

Ahristocats·Aug 9, 2016·115 votes·9,739 views

Is Riot like "fuck what we did for 4 years" as long as "let's buff champions that doesn't need buffs" ?

Every players that don't have a problem with this pbe patch must be extremely blind or delusional.

Evelynn cooldown buff on her R. So what happened about what you said when you reworked her, that she can't have a low cooldown on her ulti because of how low counterplay her passive is? Do you think it's funny to be ganked by evelynn because she can just lane gank you while you can't see her? Didn't you say that she is on the assassin rework list? why are you buffing an unhealthy champion?

Jayce getting one of his first nerf reverted, because let's be honnest who actually remember how jayce used to destroy 80% of the top laners for 2 years, 2012 and 2013?

malphite buffed, now this is just when he got his W reworked. HE DOESN'T NEED a buff, he is completly fine with a good niche(aoe attack speed nuke) and relevant for the entire game, while struggles to be even good right now.

riven's ulti Minimum damage increased to 100/150/200 from 80/120/160 Maximum damage increased to 300/450/600 from 240/260/480 +60 damage on her ulti at lvl 1, +60 , remember how +20 or -20 damage changes hard the power of a champion in the laning phase (hello )

vayne's first nerf reverted, cause again, who can remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmXEnxyVcs0 5:00

238 Comments

HigeAug 9, 201647 votes

world's patch tends to try and normalize everything across the board, naturally, someone who have access and holistic understanding of the game balance and data have a very different way of looking at it than the perspective of someone who plays 1 or 2 champions.

ModWulf HelhammerAug 9, 201611 votes

Rekt

Only Play DariusAug 9, 201639 votes

Is that why they are buffing a champion with 52% winrate?

Best princess EUAug 9, 201616 votes

the dude must be a brand main or something

ElikainAug 10, 20168 votes

And at this point you have to remember that it's literally the first day the new patch is out and new things on PBE are being tested. That doesn't mean all of them will even make it to the next patch, it's just a testing environment.

You're welcome to question the legitimacy of changes that are on PBE but don't freak out about them.

SkiasAug 10, 20165 votes

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And at this point you have to remember that it's literally the first day the new patch is out and new things on PBE are being tested. That doesn't mean all of them will even make it to the next patch, it's just a testing environment.

You're welcome to question the legitimacy of changes that are on PBE but don't freak out about them.

90% of changes generally go through. How do you think the game got to this shitty state?

ElikainAug 10, 20164 votes

Sona's changes have been on PBE for 3 iterations and then finally made it to live.

Vistha KaiAug 10, 20164 votes

The exception proves the rule.

You gave an example of a set of changes, that weren't shipped live the next patch and were worked on for an extended period of time. Except that's just one of few cases in at least 3 months.

Skias said, 90% of changes goes live as they are on the day of their specific PBE patch, which isn't wrong.

RianAug 10, 20164 votes

To be fair a lot of these changes seem quite random to me. +50 range buff on morgana e, eh? 3min cooldown on rek sai ult, wtf?+40 damage on riven finisher ultimate, lol?!?

ElikainAug 10, 20162 votes

I'm a Morgana main and Morgana has been sitting on the bench for quite a while now. She is a damage support that has a bit utility on the side and she doesn't just measure up to the supports right now.

A 50+ range buff on her Black Shield is welcome as it allows her to clutch shield an ally from slightly longer range without actually increasing her damage and stun/snare potential. I think this bit of utility is better than making her strong when hitting her spells - she's pretty good in the damage department right now.

I was also an Eve main a year or two ago and her ult actually getting damage and AP scaling is definitely better than only %HP damage. Her ult has been garbage for a long time and now at least, she can actually kill people with it.

AakeshAug 9, 201616 votes

Riven Wind Slash (R) Minimum damage increased to 100/150/200 from 80/120/160 Maximum damage increased to 300/450/600 from 240/260/480

Know which lane I'll be ganking every minute this patch.

All this time have done nothing to fix champs like Aatrox or Yorick but give buffs to champs no one wants to see or they don't god damn need.

ModAcademy KaynAug 9, 201613 votes

Aatrox's problem delves deeper than numbers, and Yorick is being reworked for a reason :P

AakeshAug 9, 20168 votes

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Aatrox's problem delves deeper than numbers, and Yorick is being reworked for a reason :P

only took them ages to fix yorick but were fast about reworking Ryze for the 1000 time

ModAcademy KaynAug 9, 20165 votes

Took em age's because there were other pressing issues to work on. Pre-rework Ryze wasn't healthy to play against, so they reworked him again, this time being willing to sacrifice more than enough things to do it (I'm looking at you Spam Snare).

Aatrox is only going to be Viable if he's the strongest pick, and for him to be the strongest pick against Xin/Yi/Tryn he's going to have to be stupid overpowered. Thing is, he's not that big of an issue for them to work on him, over someone else, who has bigger issues.

PennsAug 9, 201614 votes

At least Trynda isnt getting buffed.. I hate that champ lol.

ShaydroxAug 9, 20168 votes

To be fair some of these changes are definitely good. GP nerfs and Gragas E cooldown nerf sound pretty fair to me. Not to mention Jhin is gonna lose a bit of his excessive damage.

Idk what's up with those Riven buffs though, but for the most part these changes seem better than the typical nothing being changed properly.

AstôlfoAug 9, 20167 votes

Quit crying about Evelynn and use that time to buy a pink instead. Riven's ultimate isn't automatically +60 at level one. It depends on missing health.

Critmaster GarenAug 9, 201644 votes

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Quit crying about Evelynn and use that time to buy a pink instead.

ok, i pink warded my lane.

my lane opponent notified eve in chat and now shes lane ganking me.

stealth has issues.

AstôlfoAug 9, 20163 votes

You shouldn't be pushed up that far in the first place if you know lane ganking is a potential.

Critmaster GarenAug 9, 201632 votes

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You shouldn't be pushed up that far in the first place if you know lane ganking is a potential.

no, apparantly im supposed to hug my turret through the entire lane phase. until they decide to dive.

i dont really hate eve, but even riot admits that stealth is broken currently in this game.

Sona x RubickAug 9, 20163 votes

didn't riot reworked evelynn for this fact? that before her old stealth forced you to play extremely safe?

Critmaster GarenAug 9, 201612 votes

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didn't riot reworked evelynn for this fact? that before her old stealth forced you to play extremely safe?

yes, that was exactly the reason.

they reworked her, and she was fine. problem was that they reworked vision shortly after and everythign went to shit again. because the changes massively reduced counterplay to stealth.

XonraAug 10, 20166 votes

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ok, i pink warded my lane.

my lane opponent notified eve in chat and now shes lane ganking me.

stealth has issues.

Or this odd thing called....kill the pink ward.

AhristocatsAug 9, 201620 votes

listen

You can only buy 1 pink ward, and every lanes have 2 way to be ganked, tri bush and river for top/bot, and left/right for mid. get it? not taking in account the fact that she can just walk off by the lane

and if you used riven ulti, when your target isn't on 15% hp, then stop playing riven.

GULAG 4 UAug 9, 20165 votes

I've seen rivens starting combos with ult...

SidestepAug 9, 20164 votes

That's mainly when you feel that the opponent will dodge your ult, so you use it in between the q's.

GetcuxcdAug 9, 20167 votes

if the riven buffs go live i swear ill rip riot i cant believe they are actually listening to these awful toxic hentai lover weaboo disgusting riven mains god forbid she is not super OP anymore they have to immidiately cry for buffs

ReZisT LustAug 9, 201627 votes

this comment is more toxic than full ap teemo shroom lol

SwiftKitten88Aug 10, 20167 votes

the only changes on that ENTIRE list i think are really needed are the

Gangplank

Cannon Barrage (R) 
    Cooldown increased to 180/160/140 from 160/150/140
    Damage per wave lowered to 35/60/85 from 50/70/90

Gragas

Bodyslam (!) cooldown increased to 16/15/14/13/12 from 12 at all ranks
Explosive Cask (R) now has a fixed travel time
    "Also Gragas has a fixed travel time on his ult on PBE. This means when you point blank it, you see the barrel lob up for 0.55 seconds."**

Trundle

Pillar of Ice (E) cooldown changed to 22/20/18/16/14 from 23/20/17/14/11

even AS a Morgana player.. i don't think she needs a longer range on her E..

1 800 MID LANEAug 10, 20167 votes

how +20 or -20 damage changes hard the power of a champion in the laning phase (hello )

Never forget. Azir

FriusAug 9, 20166 votes

all get buffed and aatrox gets cancered in a corner ,alongside garens laning phase

OokamiNoSoraAug 9, 20166 votes

riot doesnt know how to buff or nerf champions properly and a lot of times they revert the change a year or so later (not even sure if they realize theyre doing it)

Treune81Aug 9, 20165 votes

Riot's special champions Riven and Brand.I understood.They don't want balanced game.

Meep ManAug 9, 201625 votes

When has Brand been a gold medal champion for LCS plays and favoritism?

VekknaAug 9, 201613 votes

So Talon at his peak 56% win rate needed buffs because he wasn't a gold medal LCS champ? Got it.

Witch of BabylonAug 9, 20165 votes

Why can't Riot be normal and buff the champions with below 50% winrate.

Masala ChaiAug 9, 20168 votes

Herdeedurr inb4 Lee Sin, Zed and LeBlanc buffs

ModAcademy KaynAug 9, 201625 votes

Yes, let us buff Azir. That'll be fun.

YurÌ on IceAug 10, 201623 votes

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Yes, let us buff Azir. That'll be fun.

Ok let's leave him with his 39% winrate and buff Brand instead. Super funner.

ElikainAug 10, 20164 votes

Azir's winrate is pretty solid once you've got games with him under your belt. He is a hypercarry so it's legitimate that new players who expect early power on such champions always fair poorly in games.

Treune81Aug 10, 20164 votes

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Azir's winrate is pretty solid once you've got games with him under your belt. He is a hypercarry so it's legitimate that new players who expect early power on such champions always fair poorly in games.

Hahahaha.40% overall win rate and 43% his mains win rate. This is unacceptable.

3% play rate and his mains win rate is 43%.Azir is so weak.

ElikainAug 10, 20167 votes

Except that he's constantly getting picked in LCS, definitely not because he's weak. Zed on the other hand is constantly getting banned in SQ while in LCS, they won't even pick or ban him.

What now?

GayFluffyUnicornAug 10, 20164 votes

Because he is a hypercarry at 35 min+ and lcs players have their whole team around them to stall the game. Which u don't have or can't expect from soloQ especially below high diamond/master. Zed on the other hand is way too weak right now to risk picking him and also easy to counter with teamplay. Which u lack in soloQ so zed is picked in sq.

YurÌ on IceAug 10, 20163 votes

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Azir's winrate is pretty solid once you've got games with him under your belt. He is a hypercarry so it's legitimate that new players who expect early power on such champions always fair poorly in games.

check gg.op and check your numbers before talking, that's all I got to say.

ElikainAug 10, 20167 votes

I haven't offered any numbers. You need to read more carefully.

Despite your woes, you apparently main Azir mid even with his "shortcomings".

LuxannaVeritasAug 10, 20165 votes

Some champions are very strong in lower ELOs, but struggle in professional play (i.e Brand, Riven, Vayne). Some champions has also just fallen off from the meta (I haven't seen a Malphite in a VERY long time, so I really think he needs a buff).

Since this is a worlds patch, these changes are more focused on professional play rather than casual play.

Personally, my philosophy is that there's no champion that's unbeatable, so I'm fine with these changes. Plus, if these changes DO end up living up to the greatness that you are saying they are, they can always be reverted.

GayFluffyUnicornAug 10, 20161 votes

That's just the wrong kind of philosophy. I don't see any reason why there should be specific changes only for pro play (Except something is really way too overpowered or breaking the game). For years weÄve been all one community and riot always tended to make changes balanced around plat since this is kinda the mid elo between low and higher play and we all had to live and play with the changes. Now they start (since s5) catering towards pros only... where is the "pro" about when i get everything delivered on a silver plate? Where are the times pros were well known for a high champpool or being extremely well on certain champs? Playing tank ekko/fizz over and over just because he's meta isn't something i consider #bigplays Or azir all the time. Literally all the time.

Pissed FurbyAug 10, 20162 votes

thats why its a pbe, its for testing... if you freaked out over every pbe change put into effect before it goes live youd probably die from ulcers or something.

DiscusAug 10, 20169 votes

As it is for testing, its also to simulate what it would be like if actually implemented, meaning reaction posts and community input such as these are very important. (also why new champions arent immune to ban in pbe to see results of ban rates etc.)

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