Zoe's not broken, that's just the fact of the matter

The Ecdysiast·Aug 3, 2018·5 votes·1,094 views

You can whine and complain all you want. You aren't going to get her nerfed into the ground with whining, simply because your point of view is objectively incorrect. It goes against the facts.

She's not dominating multiple roles, she's not dominating her own role, she doesn't have insane synergy with any particular item, and she isn't dominating pro or regular play.

If you don't want to see her, you have your own ban. Waste it on her instead of any of the 30 champions performing better than her at your own discretion.

And if you do see her, bring . It works on both sleep and ignite, and prevents her from getting your ignite.

People making cry threads about non-issues are a big reason Riot can't take the boards seriously.

8 Comments

QuadraBananasAug 3, 20183 votes

i use cleanse every time i play vs zoe, its not a solution, its just helpfull from time to time during the game. and if the opinnions is "objectively" correct, it literally means that the person is right, i think you meant subjectively obj=its a fact, that's how it works, deal with it. subj=personal opinnion on the matter.

The EcdysiastAug 5, 20181 votes

No, you misunderstand the meaning of objective in the sentence I used. I specifically didn't say opinion.

I stated that their point of view is incorrect, because their point of view is that she is overpowered when in fact the numbers do not lend to that conclusion.

You can have an opinion on whether Zoe is healthy for the game. You can have an opinion on whether she is fun or not. You can have an opinion on whether the rng of her W is fun. Those are subjective things.

What you cannot have an opinion on is whether or not she is overpowered, as that is objectively proved or disproved by her performance stats.

Did I make that clear enough for you?

QuadraBananasAug 7, 20181 votes

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No, you misunderstand the meaning of objective in the sentence I used. I specifically didn't say opinion.

I stated that their point of view is incorrect, because their point of view is that she is overpowered when in fact the numbers do not lend to that conclusion.

You can have an opinion on whether Zoe is healthy for the game. You can have an opinion on whether she is fun or not. You can have an opinion on whether the rng of her W is fun. Those are subjective things.

What you cannot have an opinion on is whether or not she is overpowered, as that is objectively proved or disproved by her performance stats.

Did I make that clear enough for you?

yup

SlythionAug 5, 20182 votes

in high elo she's pretty dumb, everywhere else she's just the worst designed champion in the game

If you don't see a problem with that...or if you don't agree with that, then you're lost in your own enjoyment of the champion to sympathize with literally anything else

The EcdysiastAug 5, 20181 votes

Well no, actually. I'm going off of the facts from the stats at high elo. So your points are simply false.

SlythionAug 6, 20181 votes

Diamond+ shows her at a nearly 52% win rate, an immense ban rate of almost 50%, and a respectable 12% popularity

Actually, her winrate, playrate, and banrate all steadily increase as you climb elo...

Explain to me how my points are false please?

While you're at it, tell me exactly how you were "going off of the facts from stats at high elo" because, and there's nothing wrong with this and this is not an insult, but your mmr is around gold so it can't be from personal experience.

DevinatiolAug 4, 20181 votes

Zoe is almost fine. She is fun, interesting and when she lands her abilities it's rewarding and fair... the main issue is that she has too much reliable damage and rng... She has her passive for gaurenteed damage, and her W for guaranteed damage. The Rng with the balloons makes it frustrating too but it's not too bad, my biggest issue is the free damage passive and speed boost on her W when using a summoner... it's unnessicary and makes summoner spell unreasonably strong when she already has a rewarding and solid combo if played well... for example a master Zoe can land all her bubbles and paddle stars and be great! Then a first time Zoe can miss everything and just spam W and make laning unbearable for no reason... I wouldn't mind if they buffed her passive damage a bit or her sleep damage and in return removed the W passive that gives her the free damage and movement speed buffs.

wildfox99Aug 4, 20181 votes

atm her problem is her RNG spellthief and her Q CD being inexistent

she literally have a 100% uptime on her W (in those 40 sec you can only back off,but in the meanwhile another minion with a spell is here),it doesn't cost mana and it's CD it's like 0.1 sec

if she's unlucky she's like any other champions but whe she lucks you are screwed

plus she can't get engaged by any means unless your champio can't become untargettable she just used her Q? if you engage her she E you and while you are CC'd her Q will be up again and you'll get os anyway

meanwhile she keep spamming Q R Q and once she hit you you lose 60% of your HP and forced to back

the fact that in diamond+ she's literally permabanned (often with a double bann) could suggest something