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Lets just break down Yasuo

Hibeki··4 votes·484 views

> Only champ in the game to have resource replaced by an entirely beneficial source

Yes. Energy, Fury, and even no mana champions still have resources. Hell, even Katarina, Riven, Garen, etc. Have cooldowns as a resource. Yasuo was replaced by a SHIELD that in no way impacts his kit at all. Just something that shouldnt be there.

Not only that he just flat out doesn't have cooldowns.

> Receives double benefit from the most busted stat in the game

Self explanatory. The only downside is completely irrelevant after purchasing IE

> Receives triple benefit from the second most busted stat in the game

You heard me, triple. He gets the normal benefit, plus decreased channel time as well as decreased cooldowns.

> Infinite no cooldown mobility

.1 seconds on a dash is not a cooldown

> Loaded with hidden passives the game doesnt even tell you just to hand you an unfair advantage

Half the shit on his kit isn't even mentioned. If you are an opponent and he has these (Example: Ult putting you out of turret range if possible) and it isn't mentioned on his kit, that's literally the definition of an unfair advantage. Something that ISNT POSSIBLE for someone to know without resorting to outside sources

> Game breaking windwall

Self explanatory

> Capable of obtaining 100% bonus armor penetration

Self explanatory.

I think it's fair to say we should just delete yasuo and fire CertainlyT from ever working on anything league of legends related ever again. The yasuo mains out there who aren't full of themselves are ok, but to those of you who actually think yourself higher than others just because you can play yasuo, you deserve it.

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Marshbouy3 votes

Only champ in the game to have resource replaced by an entirely beneficial source

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQICT6UsT7aKI8T7zI6B_z5Hu7IZg2GBju2ZdFDkvAS4MJUaYbMdYk-eQ Rengar

Hibeki1 votes

Try killing someone without an empowered ability or ult

XinCrin1 votes

Receives double benefit from the most busted stat in the game.Self explanatory. The only downside is completely irrelevant after purchasing IE

Not necessarily true. Yasuo does 240% damage with IE while other adcs will do the full 250% with IE. Also, Steel Tempest will only deal 75% crit damage.

Loaded with hidden passives the game doesnt even tell you just to hand you an unfair advantage. Half the shit on his kit isn't even mentioned. If you are an opponent and he has these (Example: Ult putting you out of turret range if possible) and it isn't mentioned on his kit, that's literally the definition of an unfair advantage. Something that ISNT POSSIBLE for someone to know without resorting to outside sources

Loaded? Can you provide me with more examples? Also it really is as simple as going to a wiki page to see what all of yasuo can do. Its not that big of a deal to go use an outside source.

Only champ in the game to have resource replaced by an entirely beneficial source. Yes. Energy, Fury, and even no mana champions still have resources. Hell, even Katarina, Riven, Garen, etc. Have cooldowns as a resource. Yasuo was replaced by a SHIELD that in no way impacts his kit at all. Just something that shouldnt be there.

The shield actually does impact his kit. He has really low base hp and that shield lets him have opportunities to take trades. Otherwise a lot of trades will go really bad for him. And all you have to do is aa yasuo to get the shield to pop. Also a lot of champions have resources that are entirely beneficial: RekSai ,Rengar ,Tryndamere Mordekaiser

The bonus armor penetration applies before flat armor penetration. Also, what armor pen items does yasuo get? His typical build has these items: item 3046 , item 3031 ,item 3022 , item 3072 , item 3078 , <defense items>.

EDIT: I am not defending Yasuo. I think he has problems but the OP does not understand Yasuo's problems and the suggestions to remove core parts of his kit is bad.

Salron1 votes

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Not necessarily true. Yasuo does 240% damage with IE while other adcs will do the full 250% with IE. Also, Steel Tempest will only deal 75% crit damage.

Actually it's 225% with IE

Hibeki1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/OghIJxP.png

Why am I not surprised you are trying to refute how busted this champ is.

Also, no, Rek sai is not beneficial. For her E to do any damage she has to have full fury and not heal with it.

Rengar is overpowered in the sense of numbers. Even then, he has to choose which empowered ability to use based on the situation. Once again, a resource.

You obviously dont play tryndamere if you think fury is entirely beneficial. You have to balance it a lot. Making the decision to heal (Because youre getting bullied) and therefore losing your crit is a big decision.

Mordekaiser has no gap closers, so he needs to be tanky. Not only that, all his abilities have health costs and he has no real way of getting that health back. He has no gap closers or cc to keep enemies in his W.

50% bonus armor pen from ult, 5% from mastery, 45% from dominiks.

Loaded passives you say? How about his dash being a set distance, meaning that if hes closer to the target it will push him farther than just to the target.

Or how about the fact that his windwall functions as a projectile spellshield by shielding him entirely on cast for a brief moment?

The 10% total crit is nothing. The drawback is eliminated since he is over 200%.

Don't act like Yasuo health means anything when warlords exist.

Need I continue?

My suggestions are not to gut yasuo. It's to remove him entirely. His kit means that no matter what he will always be stupidly underpowered or broken. There's no way to balance it. This is how it is with ALL of certianlyT's champs.

Also Yasuo's only weakness is targeted CC, which is literally everyones weakness apart from Olaf

XinCrin1 votes

Hey man, I played Yasuo quite a bit back when the champion mastery thing came out. Not as much anymore. I also stopped playing Rengar and Zed after the reworks. I played Jayce before the buffs (EUW: Scorpiour. You can check to see when I started playing Jayce, but it was before he was strong and popular). Lucian and Draven are just my go to ADC because there fun.

Quoting this from another thread:

He doesn't get 85% armor penetration.

For 1 - his ultimate gives him 50% armor penetration against BONUS armor, which is not the same thing as armor in general. Even the weakest champion gets 60 armor from leveling up to 18, which his steroid does completly nothing against. Most get 75 and some exceptional champions, like Maokai, get as much as 90.

Second - armor penetration doesn't stack additionally like like. If you have 50% armor penetration and 50% armor penetration, you only get to 75% armor penetration. It applies one form of penetration first, then the second form of penetration only applies to the remaining armor, the third any armor that remains after that, and so on.

With both of those dynamics taken into account - Yasou only gets ~50% armor penetration total with his ultimate steroid and Last Whisper, which is very different from 85%. A solid half of your defense should still work against him - not one sixth.

Also Yasuo has some counter play. -Armor is good against him. Especially randuins and attack speed reducers. -CC -Exhuast -Burst -He can't dodge a skill while in mid e so if you aim at him when he is dashing, he can;t dodge the projectile. -He is not mobile at all if there are no minions and such to dash around.

I am fairly sure in the tool tip it says Yasuo dashes a fixed distance. Also, I would argue that Tryndamere ,RekSai ,Rengar passives are entirely beneficial because they just add more power to the champion. Tryndamere could choose to hold the crit or he can make an active decision to exchange that for health. Both are beneficial. Maybe Mordekaiser is arguable but at the end of the day he does have a beneficial passive. However, his is more core to his kit and cannot be changed.

Also your idea about removing him is absurbed. Maybe one thing they can change is how easy he makes it for junglers to gank his lane. He can easily set up a jungle gank for jungler.

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