The new jungle spreads negativity.

Kowe The Ewok··4 votes·556 views

It's simple: If a lane fails - be it 1on1 or due to a gank - the jungler will be blamed. There isn't much logic behind this other that people often can't accept that they're playing above their own ELO.

In an case the jungler will be asked to help, well more often than that flamed or pingspammed. But that's not something new. Being a jungler was always stressful.

However, the new jungle was actively designed to stop junglers from ganking and lowering their possible gank frequency. As a result you often can't keep up with the requests. People start getting frustrated and become toxic.

At that point the game is over. In order to "punish" their jungler they will take your jungle creeps (if the enemy solo laner hasn't already taken them or ganked you). Thanks to the experience distribution and respawn timers this makes you, as a jungler, fall behind to a point where you're useless. You can't gank assassin laners or a duolane anymore since you're a freekill. You can't contest objectives since you will be outsmited. You can't even brawl the enemy jungler 1v1 anymore, meaning you will get counterjungled by him as well.

And your lanes... Your lanes will keep shitting on your head for why you ahve to be in their team and not the enemy jungler "who is so much better" (yet he experiences exactly the same every seconds game).


The whole concept of reworking the jungle to-not-be-able-to-help-your-teammates is a designflaw. It reduces teamplay and creates an extreme toxicity.

4 Comments

Gear Kitty5 votes

I'd leave a long, thought out reply to counter your perceived raging, leaving anecdotal remarks about how my teammates never complain about my jungling, but I'm too tired. So I'll just leave this.

It's "outsmote" not outsmited.

FyshinaTux1 votes

Pretty much this, the new jungle is hated by me, and many other people that I know... but it's not AS BAD as you make it out to be. The only time it has that effect, is when the jungler really isn't that great of a jungler to begin with.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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I'd leave a long, thought out reply to counter your perceived raging, leaving anecdotal remarks about how my teammates never complain about my jungling, but I'm too tired. So I'll just leave this.

In the time you took to write this part, surely you could have written a small party of your thought-out reply instead?

SnackieCakes2 votes

Actually, I would argue that the longer monster respawns provide more opportunity to gank, counterjungle, or take map objectives - because ultimately you can't really spend all of your time in the jungle anyways.

People are always going to complain, but so what? Everyone has to play the game, do their best, and try to make good calls for teamwork.

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