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@Riot Revert Cassiopeia- now with moderately better formatting!

TheUltimateSpear··12 votes·678 views

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE COMMENTING.

Some of this is copy and pasted from my last post.

** Reverted Cassiopeia, with small tweaks and QoL**

These are the stats from current Cassiopeia to a reverted one.

Current Cassiopeia: Q: 75/115/155/195/235 + 45% AP W: 10/15/20/25/30 + 10% AP E: 55/80/105/130/155 + 55% AP R: 150/250/350 + 50% AP

Old/Reverted Cassiopeia:

Q: 75/115/155/195/235 + 80% AP -> + 69% AP (Proposed minor nerf) W: 25/35/45/55/65 + 15% AP E: 50/85/120/155/190 + 55% AP R: 200/325/400 + 60%

  • Twin Fang: Refreshed cooldown from poisoned target increased to 1 second from .5 seconds on cast. (So, the speed at which Cassi pumps out her Twin Fang is LOWERED by half)
  • No longer gives mana refund upon killing targets
  • no longer grants healing
  • no longer amps further poison damage.

Passive: Aspect of the Serpent

Passive: Deadly Cadence- Casting a spell causes any subsequent spellcasts within 5 seconds to cost 10% less mana, stacking up to 5 times. 5/8/10% mana at levels 1/7/13 for a total of 25/40/50% at the max of 5 stacks. (Proposed minor nerf)

Why I believe this is good idea.

  • The big idea here is that I believe a (mostly) reverted Cassiopeia could fulfill her poison fantasy while not forsaking her DPS with Twin Fang. Anyone who played Cassi before her rework can tell you she was powerful maxing either Q or E beforehand, and she could still have the other be effective.
  • With the more even power spread across her kit, Cassiopeia can appeal to both sides of her fanbase (DPS mage/Poison mage, although they need NOT be mutally exclusive) instead of one or the other.
  • Regardless of what fantasy you have playing Cassiopeia, she's pretty weak regardless and can use some straight up buffs anyways.

Questions/Concerns

Old Cassiopeia was an oppressive lane bully! To an extent, she was. Which is why I had the two proposed nerfs above. But I highly, HIGHLY doubt she would need more than 1 of the 2.

Strong DOTs are hard to read/don't feel impactful enough That's a matter of personal opinion. And if meaningful DOTs are toxic for Cassiopeia, then why are they fine for these champs? Brand Teemo Malzahar Swain Singed

Old Cassiopeia was toxic for other reasons! How? Her kit is literally exactly the same as it was, just with a Twin Fang on steroids and gutted bases/ratios on the rest of her abilities. And a snowbally passive.

As a final note, I'm not saying to revert Cassiopeia as a fix/end all solution. Just as a bandaid fix so Cassiopeia can be decently strong while better appealing to both sides of her fanbase until a larger update/rework comes along. This revert would take a VERY short amount of time by gameplay standards, because it would be barely larger than a balance change but it could bring so much for the amount of time/effort it would take. Not only that, but I'm also not saying you have to revert EVERYTHING of Cassiopeia. A partial revert could still bring a lot if you're opposed to a full revert, Riot.

If a Red sees this thread, PLEASE reply.

15 Comments

Prospector Pete1 votes

{quoted}

Old/Reverted Cassiopeia:

Q: 75/115/155/195/235 + 80% AP -> + 69% AP

XD

TheUltimateSpear3 votes

Cassiopeia "Spineless? No. Flexible? Extremely." ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Oerba No Naja1 votes

Do you realise that the most epic nerf that could be done ??????

TheUltimateSpear2 votes

{quoted}

No joke, people said a reverted Cassiopeia would be incredibly broken the last time I made this thread, not weaker than she is ATM.

But why do you think so?

Oerba No Naja1 votes

are you drunk or trolling ? i mean i cant even explain how dumb is that... O_O hopefully red will not take this in consideration .

TheUltimateSpear2 votes

Try to explain, then. Because if you just say that it sounds like you have no explanation.

Nagma1 votes

hmm , stop think about cassio you cleary dont know what you are talking about this is just the biggest nerf that a champ ever had . wow man

TheUltimateSpear2 votes

No joke, people said a reverted Cassiopeia would be incredibly broken the last time I made this thread, not weaker than she is ATM.

But why do you think so?

Nagma1 votes

because she was fine but cluncky , no specially broken ; and now she is fine but once you are behind you are useless ; people who just dont know who to deal with cassio just cry for buffs like wtf .. this would be a enormous nerf to the current cassio because you gut her passive ( wich is ton of stats ) , you totaly destroy her e and for what in return ??? poison dmg ? not even ,you propose to lower the ratio .this is senseless riot reworked cassio because she was in bad state , your proposal is not a revert cassio ; its a nerf of the old cassio

Nagma1 votes

so why you did is : pick the old cassio ( wich was in a bad spot ) and nerf her :D

TheUltimateSpear1 votes

I sort of see what you mean. I only proposed the two nerfs because people said she would be too OP with a straight revert, not that she necessarily needs them. Well, she can't be both :P

One important thing to note is that I'm not saying to revert the QoL / clunkiness fixes to Cassiopeia. Those should stay no matter what. Her E would be nerfed, yes, but her old E had higher base damage so it's not that bad. Maybe something like .8 seconds would be fine. But the numbers themselves aren't THAT important, and neither is just reverting Cassiopeia- it's about adjusting Cassiopeia so ALL of her abilities are useful rather than just her E, you know?

Nagma1 votes

ye but nerf both sucks , i dont feel like its necessary to : we want twin fangs we have to destroy poison / we want poison we have to destroy twin fangs. Her kit / dmg should be 50 50 ; thats why cassio sucks actually she is just too much e dependant

iamleburk1 votes

Well the argument is that Riot failed their rework. It's undeniable that she was bad before the rework, but she isn't much better after it.

Nagma1 votes

they didnt realy fail it , they brought nice mechanics ( how to stack the passive is unique in this game ) and nice quol changes and the sustain on her twin fangs is also good stashue just let us with a unfinished work , he was supposed to continue with cassio but he stopped and did nto keep his promises

iamleburk2 votes

Yea that's a failure. If i hand in the first half of my term paper, what do you think I'm going to get? Also, most fans feel he went the wrong way with his rework. He put the emphasis on her E while Cassio mains seemed to want the emphasis on her poison (which is understandable, she is a poison mage, that's her identity). Honestly the kit they have now isn't too bad, it just doesn't fit Cassiopeia

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