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So, I just played Zyra mid against a Yasuo.

TheUltimateSpear··57 votes·5,182 views

... And I make him ragequit.

I'm sorry. This is terrible, and click baity, I know, but Dear God... that was one of the most cathartic games of League of Legends I've ever played. Yeah, Yasuo did lots of damage despite starting cull (A farming up item?) Yeah, he survived in lane by his bullshit shield, crit lifesteal sustain, and windwall blocking my spells (and not skill), and yeah I had to manage my mana while he got free sustain/shields/dashes/waveclear.

But I still somehow managed to killed that busted ass champion three times! AND make him ragequit.

Okay, but I have a serious point here. I've played Zyra versus Yasuo several times before. This Yasuo was NOT good. He hit me with literally 2 or 3 tornadoes the entire game, while other Yasuos I've played against have hit me 2 or 3 times per every time we both come back to lane. And I STILL beat those Yasuos. But with the broken crit mastery... I don't even remember how it even works entirely. But he gained SO much free sustain after getting his first item. I'm not exaggerating but I brought him to like 50% health for him to have 90% after clearing the next wave.

My final point is this: the Yasuo I was up against was terrible but managed to survive because of just HOW busted Yasuo is. Before preseason I beat Yasuo's who were easily better. The crit keystone needs nerfed, at the LEAST.

72 Comments

TNHA Baritone36 votes

OR...Yasuo could be nerfed...possibly reworked into a more balenced choice*[zombie-brand-clap]*

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

"more balanced" or "less toxic". He was fine before preseason in terms of balance . . .

Pawn of hearts1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-11-15T22:38:16.752+0000)

"more balanced" or "less toxic". He was fine before preseason in terms of balance . . .

yea. the changing in item and masteries probably just there to nerf him for no reason,

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

"He was fine ///before preseason /// in terms of balance . . ."

Lintu Puck1 votes

shhhhhhh! o.O CertainlyT might hear you, and we remember what happened to Morde. XD

~p.s. I actually have nothing against CT and I've been one of the few who have just been fine with New Morde.

EndlessSorcerer35 votes

It's being hotfixed to only activate against champions.

I'm not sure why it wasn't released like that since the other Keystone masteries only activate against champions, but whatever.

warpenguin5551 votes

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It's being hotfixed to only activate against champions.

I'm not sure why it wasn't released like that since the other Keystone masteries only activate against champions, but whatever.

you mean the damage based ones right? because there is one (forgot its name) that activates only when a siege minion or large monster goes down near you

Darkwind5 votes

I mean that's clearly designed to be different, and it takes a long time to be effective. Since you gain the health slowly, it's not very effective in lane- it's basically just a small heal (albeit one with interactions with %hp dmg) for laning purposes. It's not until you have killed/been near a decent number of large minion/monster deaths and have recalled (healing back up for that bonus max HP you got) that it becomes more useful than a simple heal.

My point is that it's heavily gated, capped at a certain benefit, and isn't especially useful early in the game. So while it's true that it doesn't "activate" only against champions, that really isn't relevant in regards to its overall power.

math crab22 votes

how many pounds of cocaine did he snort before the game to get hit by even a single skillshot literally all you have to do is press e

A Miss Fortune15 votes

Then there's those Yasuo players who think they're Incarnati0n and end up dashing under your tower and then they end up wind walling the opposite dirction while missing a point blank tornado.

I mean to be fair there's a good 9/10 chance they'll end up carrying after finishing Shiv anyways.

Mael bro3 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-11-15T12:20:02.061+0000)

Then there's those Yasuo players who think they're Incarnati0n and end up dashing under your tower and then they end up wind walling the opposite dirction while missing a point blank tornado.

I mean to be fair there's a good 9/10 chance they'll end up carrying after finishing Shiv anyways.

If you would have said that in Season 4 (back when you could regain shield with E) that would have been true. Tbh outside of the laning phase it's easy to focus him as he's the squishiest melee in the game. Look at lolgraphs, the guy is averaging the most deaths out of every champion. Just treat him as a yi or a katarina try to put him out as soon as possible.

Demiqas2 votes

Squishy? are you serious? his shield absorbs a crapton of damage and resets with his ulti, especially with the keystone masteries he goes back to full health with a few q's. I find this guy as unkillable as a tanky fiora, despite having low health and armor values. The reason why he has a high death rate is because you have to be a complete, utter, literally autistic AND downsyndrome'd person to not be able to carry with yasuo lategame. All those deaths come from yasuos who go 1/9 in laning phase but then still manage to carry the game because that champion is just retarded. I see this same pattern every single time there's a yasuo. Might aswell just afk at base, one lucky tornado and the game is won.

League of Potato5 votes

First off, take it easy with the mentally handicapped references. I know plenty of mentally handicapped people who are more intelligent than me, so trying to compare the mentally handicapped to what you deem as a "stupid person" is not okay.

Second, I played a normal draft yesterday where some idiot picked yasuo into a fiddle mid lane and lost his lane hard. His reason for picking yas was because "he didn't want the other team to pick him"...except he was last pick. So starting off I knew this guy was gunna suck. We did end up winning that game, but he had no part in helping us win. So your argument about anyone using yasuo automatically will carry the game is wrong.

However if you give up first blood to yasuo (no matter their skill level) and they build correctly, you may as well ff@20 because he will carry and be able to 1v5 any team without issue due to his infinite dashes/crit/sustain.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

Except:

-He has dashes on a .1 second cooldown that also do damage and have fairly high range themselves -Has a windwall that blocks all projectiles and ranged auto attacks -Periodically spawns a shield that scales with his level -Has a ranged AoE knockup that for some reason still does damage

He's inherently squishy with his base stats but a good Yasuo will abuse his absolutely insane amount of self peel. His weakness should be that's he's squishy but most of his kit works around that giving him the mobility, shields, and crowd control he needs to negate his squishyness in duels or in teamfights. I mean sure he's still squishy, but taking in consideration his broken level of self peel It's hard to even hit him to punish him for being squishy.

Don't just say "CC him" or "focus him" either. I can do that to literally any other carry too, It's not a special counter he has.

Mael bro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,com9 ment-id=0004000000010001,timestamp=2015-11-15T22:18:04.710+0000)

Except:

-He has dashes on a .1 second cooldown that also do damage and have fairly high range themselves -Has a windwall that blocks all projectiles and ranged auto attacks -Periodically spawns a shield that scales with his level -Has a ranged AoE knockup that for some reason still does damage

He's inherently squishy with his base stats but a good Yasuo will abuse his absolutely insane amount of self peel. His weakness should be that's he's squishy but most of his kit works around that giving him the mobility, shields, and crowd control he needs to negate his squishyness in duels or in teamfights. I mean sure he's still squishy, but taking in consideration his broken level of self peel It's hard to even hit him to punish him for being squishy.

Don't just say "CC him" or "focus him" either. I can do that to literally any other carry too, It's not a special counter he has.

You don't need to prove me anything. This champ made me rage back in Season 4 more times than i could think of. I realise that he has above average tools to turn the tide in dire situations, but also has the same possibilities of botching his own play. The example would be your previous post, about dashing through your minion in your turret range. His laning phase is extremely obnoxious only rivaled by Leblanc and Heimerdinger. But he is counterable. Have you watched how your NA's own C9 Balls' Darius roflstomped Fnatic Huni"s Yasuo at worlds this year? I mean his free stats and being manaless is as bad as it is, but remember LoL is a team game and with some coordination Yasuo can be shut down. I just think the guy is as nerfed as it is and the only thing that should be nerfed is the Warlords Bloodlust mastery which makes him extremely broken. With just a shiv and an aglity cloak the guy gets a soraka heal every auto attack. As a high skill cap champion having a 53% win rate just proves that the balance deparatment should look closely at this mess.

ReZisT Lust1 votes

1- Cant do it on the same champ back to back 2-Back off a few seconds to wait his wall out 3-Just auto him right before its back up... 4-Move and your good to go*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

Pawn of hearts1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,comment-id=0004000000010001,timestamp=2015-11-15T22:18:04.710+0000)

Except:

-He has dashes on a .1 second cooldown that also do damage and have fairly high range themselves -Has a windwall that blocks all projectiles and ranged auto attacks -Periodically spawns a shield that scales with his level -Has a ranged AoE knockup that for some reason still does damage

He's inherently squishy with his base stats but a good Yasuo will abuse his absolutely insane amount of self peel. His weakness should be that's he's squishy but most of his kit works around that giving him the mobility, shields, and crowd control he needs to negate his squishyness in duels or in teamfights. I mean sure he's still squishy, but taking in consideration his broken level of self peel It's hard to even hit him to punish him for being squishy.

Don't just say "CC him" or "focus him" either. I can do that to literally any other carry too, It's not a special counter he has.

and btw even though his e has a very short cd he cant abuse it often because there is a cd to the target instead. when it come to his wind wall there is a very long cd for it. simple way to get his shield is just a basic wait for a couple sec the passive of the shield basically useless.

Pawn of hearts1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-11-15T12:20:02.061+0000)

Then there's those Yasuo players who think they're Incarnati0n and end up dashing under your tower and then they end up wind walling the opposite dirction while missing a point blank tornado.

I mean to be fair there's a good 9/10 chance they'll end up carrying after finishing Shiv anyways.

well clearly I haven't met any yas who did that thus far.

but remember it always depend on skills.

full build yas vs full build yi who would win? well clearly there isn't any legit answer to that. because Ezreal " its all skill"

IronwallJackson1 votes

I'm willing to give it to Yi. Yasuo is very strong, but Yi has higher DPS and will almost always win a straight punch-up if both of them are at full build.

Mostly, it's the BorK passive combined with Yi's attack speed steroids that seals the deal.

Meriipu12 votes

I hate Yasuo, Lee, and Thresh so much

falldown0102 votes

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I hate Yasuo, Lee, and Thresh so much

and trydamere oh and graves ofc

DazedOnlooker6 votes

And Let's not forget Graves Yasuo and Tryndamere.

....And occasionally MasterYi.

doombotMECHA2 votes

nah yi is fine like he might get fed early but once tf phase hits (speaking as a taric supp main) I can just stun him and he dies. AP yi was wayyyyy worse.

Count Zubat3 votes

AP Yi is returning.

DazedOnlooker2 votes

This terrifies me greatly...

Snake Town3 votes

LeeSin words cannot describe how much I hate this champ.

Meriipu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snake Town,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2015-11-16T04:52:11.628+0000)

LeeSin words cannot describe how much I hate this champ.

le inseeec xD everest of skill not as overloaded as yasuo though but not that it matters I still hate him too

Waffletimewarp5 votes

Yeah, this whole league of yasuo deal is why i started playing Anivia again. "Oh dear, I'm having some trouble in lane, better play it safe-6 NOPE EVERYTHING DIES NOW."

Kitten of Evil3 votes

How do you survive against Yasuo until 6?

I'm genuinely asking--I'm a Brand/Anivia/Vel'Koz main, and I have played mostly Kayle since the preseason started. I love Anivia but the nerfs to the mana cost of RoA and Archangels seemed entirely unnecessary and I am sad with the state Anivia is in now :(

Shonjl5 votes

From my experience, don't get near him and stay away from your minions. He can't dash to you if you are a decent distance from minions which means he has to waste flash if he wants to all in you, dodging his tornados is an obvious one too, but moreso just playing champs that don't rely entirely on skillshots.

My mid of choice is Morgana and Black shield and puddle ruins Yas's day. Black shield if I think a tornado will hit, and puddle breaks his shield and hurts him a good amount too. Sure he can heal it up with minions, but usually it keeps him away.

While that may work if you just want to farm, as for outright beating him in lane, not raelly sure :L Since his lane phase is irrelevant. All he needs is a statik shiv and he has enough crit to get some kills from teamfights, so sadly there really is no way to hold a Yasuo down. He could be 0/20 and only have that shiv and still manage to get kills from it and snowball to like 30/20

GrReaper963 votes

That sounds cool but in the end he will still outfarm you. Isnt there any way to make yas unable to farm?

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Not until they nerf warlord's. Before pre-season you won by keeping constant harass on him. But with warlord's, he heals faster than you can damage him.

Shonjl1 votes

I think i heard somewhere they are chaning warlord to be a heal only on champs, that should fix most of its brokenness atm.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

They posted about that in the Dev Corner. They also mentioned fixing towers to have the extra health mentioned in patch notes.

FastAsHeck2 votes

I love playing Karthus and I found that the best way to survive lane is to run summoner 3. If he ults you, use it before the damage is applied (you can use it while suspended) and then run.

doombotMECHA2 votes

exhaust is a better spell than people give it credit for.

FastAsHeck1 votes

100% agree it is way too overrated and its better than ignite in 95% of cases

ReZisT Lust1 votes

play annie auto him to death when your stuns up in case he tries to get close

Ancestor0075 votes

I managed to kill yasuo 2 times in lane as twisted fate. At the end, he had over 15 kills

TheEvilNameless1 votes

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I managed to kill yasuo 2 times in lane as twisted fate. At the end, he had over 15 kills

That is somewhat normal. I have stomped yasuo mid some many times this patch just to have him get fed anyway. Game over.

The Voids Call4 votes

No champion should be resourceless. Be it cost them health, or some gating mechanic which inhibits their power until a condition is met. Riven Yasuo Garen Katarina all have this weird spot where they don't have to have the skill set to manage resources or time their engagements to align with a condition like let's say Gnar or Rumble. As a result they are almost impossible to balance, because either they are to strong and demolish in lane, or they are to weak and can't make a meaningful impact outside of lane.

I know Riven was on the chopping block for this terrible design, she was going to get "edge" as a limiter which was gain when shit landed a hit with her passive and consumed when she ulted. Although apparently they decided to delay or removed the change. -_-

Borbland3 votes

Yeah, I can relate to this. I'm a skillshot mage main, and everytime I see an enemy Yasuo in a ranked for example I picked Zyra cause she counters him fairly well with Q going over the wall and the plants wrecking his shield most of the time.

But with the completly utterly broken mastery i can imagine that even with Zyra it will be hard to win.

The Loveless3 votes

If they can modify things like Kalista's 90% ad scaling autos and Ashe's non-crittiness, I don't see why they couldn't tweak the amount of healing he gets. Give him a unique grievous wound state.

doombotMECHA1 votes

the mastery's getting nerfed next week so that's pointless, but yas has had his crit damage ratio nerfed before (it only deals 90% of normal crit damage) if he gets too strong they can do it again.

The Loveless1 votes

O ight koo

It's not that he kills you without counter play, it's that you can't kill him. With shiv and cloak of agility, he will always crit, meaning he always gets that 15% from his hastened auto attack and q

Kitten of Evil2 votes

I have mained Kayle this preseason. A champion I virtually never played before. Mainly because she stomps on Yasuo. But even Kayle can't keep him from getting fed late-game.

But the hotfix will definitely help if you're a moderately smart mid-laner.

Mael bro9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitten of Evil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdVtEQZZ,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-11-15T07:58:52.071+0000)

I have mained Kayle this preseason. A champion I virtually never played before. Mainly because she stomps on Yasuo. But even Kayle can't keep him from getting fed late-game.

But the hotfix will definitely help if you're a moderately smart mid-laner.

There are no Kayle mains. Only people who play her when she's strong.

Catastrop2 votes

Morgana. Max W and just E when you see a tornado coming.

Dominick Destine2 votes

I'd like to point out at this juncture that they only Zyra game the OP played was 3 months ago ... and he lost.

He's also ranked as Silver and regularly plays against Bronze tier players. I'm not saying he is lying or his victory is no longer valid, but it takes a lot of the strength of the argument away when you factor in these things.

ChaosThief9 votes

You can only see the RANKED game of non-friend players.

This is most likely a normal game.

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