every other role, if I die i know its my fualt. sometimes i will flame for lack of follow up when we could have done better, but i know it is at least partly my fault. when im the ad, there are times when it is 100% someone elses fault.
Dynikus7 votesyour deaths are 100% your own fault. Blaming your support for you dying is just silly.
OurLestrade2 votesI've very rarely had this experience in 4 years of being a support main.
Beldair2 votesSo as Top, Mid, and Jungle..it's your fault you die..
But as ADC, somehow it's all blamed on the support?
As a Support main, I find your lack of responsibility disturbing.
As far as I see it, a majority of deaths as ADC are that players fault and a small percentage is because of the support.
As an ADC, you have to have good positioning, good timing, good communication with support, and the knowledge of when to go in and when to back out.
If you fail at anyone one of those things, then you will more than likely die.
Woook3r1 votesit isnt all blamed on support. sometimes it is my fault. but then about 5/10 times im thinking thresh will exhaust here. thresh will exhaust here. he will surely flay the xin. surely. i know he hasnt used it. and then he throws a hook 180 opposite direction no one knows why.
Beldair1 votesThe way you've worded your post makes it seem like you believe the support causes your death.
I would remove the 100% and just say occasionally.
Woook3r1 votes"there are times when it is 100% someone elses fault." that can be translated as "occasionally, it is entirely my supports fault". There, are you happy? you pre-judged me and now you realize that.
Beldair3 votesYou still understand nothing..
It is never all the supports fault. It is either just your fault or it is a combination of both of you.
Woook3r1 voteswhen the alternative is that I deal 0 dmg and we lose the fight? Sorry. I chose to die so that the fight goes as a 3 for 1 rather than a 1 for 2. and that is the right decision. the support who doesnt flay the xin is at fault for my death. otherwise, it would be a 3 for 0.
Beldair1 votesIf you see Xin coming your way, you should have already been going back to tower.
Woook3r1 votespeople still believe towers can protect the ad? the boards in 2017
Lauchmelder1 votesIf the AD is competent he can outplay the Xin under tower, making him eat shot after shot.
Woook3r1 votesit really depends on the ad and how many kills xin has. its not so much about the skill of the player. if im on tristana, he wont even dive me so im fine. If im on jinx or ashe just admit im fucked and we can move on with our lives.
Beldair1 votesPurrlease.... I can easily take out a Xin under my tower as Ashe.
Towers may not be as strong as they used to, but they are still good tools for outplaying your opponent.
Kreissage1 votesIt's not as bad as it USED to be.
The Drewprint1 votesaccountable for deaths when playing every other role magically unaccountable for deaths when ADC
lolwut?
Woook3r1 votesyes. for some of my deaths on adc i am not responsible. If I get exhausted in lane and my support forgets to exhaust their ad, then it is my supports fault that i died, if exhaust would have saved me.
if my thresh is in melee range of sion with flay availible, and sion still manages to charge his q up and stun me, it is my threshs fault I got stunned. 100%. Every time. His JOB is to interrupt the sion so that I can dps. if you think that supports arent sometimes responsible for their ad dying, then you are 100% confused. supports fuck up ALL the damn time.
Dynikus2 votesnot saving you != causing your death. You got yourself in the situation and trusted your support to save your ass when you did something stupid. https://media.giphy.com/media/ULgU0VfxX6QY8/giphy.gif
Woook3r1 votesI didnt say he caused it. caused it does not mean at fault for it. when a programmer writes code, a tester tests it. if the tester breaks the code, he caused it to break. but it is the programmers fault it broke.
thanks for the lesson in semantics. my supports are still to blame.
Dynikus1 votesThat's like blaming a fireman for not saving someone from a burning building, or blaming a lifeguard for not saving someone that's drowning.
Woook3r1 votesI was a lifeguard for about 8 years. if someone drowned while I was on duty i was legally responsible for my actions at that time. yes. thats exactly what it is like. And its still true. the supports are at fault.
BTW, when I was 8 my mother left my cousin and I unattended in the pool. My cousin is an idiot and started to drown. I had to save him. When she finally saw what happened, she apologized to me. because it was her fault that I had to be the one to save him. its not just in theory. sometimes someone other than the causative agent can be at fault.
if a baby dies in a hot car, do we say it was the sun's fault?
the Anarchit3cht1 votesdont know what county you're in but unless its proven you've shown due negligence you aren't at fault as a lifeguard.
Woook3r1 votesthats what i said. responsible for my actions. if im on the stand and someone drowns. im guilty if I dont act. similarly, if the support could act and doesnt, then its the supports fault.
Woook3r1 votesalso, if my support could save me, then it is NOT stupid. That would be a smart play that my team wasnt capable of making because they sucked. because thats what TEAMWORK is.
Beldair2 votesMust interject here... Supports mess up all the time?
I'm sorry, I must've misheard you early.
This truly makes you seem like a glorified egotistical adc that doesn't want to take credit for their own deaths.
I shall speak for all Supports and say this...
STAY OUT OF OUR LANE AND GO PLAY A SOLO LANE IF YOUR ARE GONNA DISRESPECT SUPPORTS LIKE THAT!
Omnistone Karma1 votesOur next president of the United States of Supportia ^^
Beldair1 votesThank you, thank you.. As your new president I shall start my term by banning all egotistical ADCs from getting our help. Now let's party XD
Omnistone Karma2 votesHey dude I'm a support main and I kinda laugh at this How did you get in that awkward position? Cause you didn't position yourself good. And now the support has to clean up the mess you caused?
That's fine I understand, a supports job is to clean up the mess the adc might have caused. But you should not be mad at your support for not helping you that time cause he's only human too and makes mistakes just like you do
It's your fault for getting into that situation anyway right? A good adc should be able to not let himself get into that position
Woook3r1 votesno. i thought ahead of time that my support will save me. thats all these pussy supports do is talk about how they "saved the adc" right. so nows his time to shine and my time to deal some dmg. oh wait. no. hes just another support who cant save shit and will now int the rest of the game casue I pointed out he made a mistake. typical female behavior.
Omnistone Karma1 votesSounds like you had 1 rough game. With that support, that can happen it's still a game played by Children but 'typical female behavior' doesn't sound right man
Of course I wasn't there but you come over like a egoist cause you 'had it all planned out and the support just sucks' you should have communicated with your support tbh
Hope this makes sense to you and first look at what you did wrong and then point your finger at someone else
Woook3r1 votesits not a very complicated plan. I do look at what i did wrong. its not about the fact that i might have done wrong. its about the fact that adc cant be played well without at least a decent champion or a decent support. all the adc player has right now are semi decent items to buy.
Beldair1 votesFunny, I can at least hold my own in lane as Sivir and Kindred even with a poor support.
The Drewprint2 votesif you think that supports arent sometimes responsible for their ad dying, then you are 100% confused. supports fuck up ALL the damn time.
Sometimes, not every time. An ADC that doesn't take accountability for being caught out, trading poorly, or have bad positioning, opens themselves up to get killed. Which, in those scenarios you mentioned, could be the case.
the Anarchit3cht1 votesYour deaths are 100% your fault. No two ways about it unless a Tahm Kench shoots you under a turret or a something.
Woook3r1 votesI saw c9 sneaky die to a katarina who was 2 screens away under the NEXT TOWER TIER. and you want to tell me that was his fault? Because he should have known to be 2.5 or even 3 screens distant? Should he try farming under the fountain instead? No. That was not his fault. As an ad, you are frequently helpless to even farm.
the Anarchit3cht1 votesconsidering no champion in the game has that sort of range apart from global ults, yes it is his fault. it's not as if she can instantly beam behind him and unload his combo.
Woook3r1 votesthats exaclty what happened. EXACTLY. And if you want to act like zed cant travel that far. Flash. Shadow. Ghostblade. Ulti. Dead. And old talon used to be worse. Destealth you are dead. 50 seconds later. Destelth you are dead. whose fault is that? Talon was unseen by wards. Again. Am I supposed to farm under the fountain laser? I was trying to kill the super minion attacking my nexus. Bc I would lose the game if I didnt. Then talon killed me in 250 ms, which is only tripple my ping. hows that my bad??
the Anarchit3cht1 votesNo that's not exactly what happened. She can't move that far in an instant. She would have to shunpo and collect daggers and get resets and if you'e oblivious to all that its entirely your fault.
Beldair1 votesBut Tahm's really only do that when the person is being a Toxic ass monkey..
I know, because I did that to a Veigar who was calling me retarded (except wasn't a tower but the whole enemy team XD).
Reaper Soraka1 votesI once pulled a fed blitzcrank (as blitzcrank in blinds) into my team and he killed my adc.
Was it my adc's fault for getting caught by his hook, or was it my fault for pulling him?
Woook3r1 votesIt is at least partly your fault. Depending on circumstances, it could be the ad's fault as well. But ive had a blitz flash and oneshot me before. Hes got two 100% ap scalings. So if thats what happened, then yea its all on you. Dont pull an aoe nuke into your team. Its like asking if pulling galleo is a good idea.
But it is certainly your fault to some degree. Might not be 100% your fault.
it could be tho.
GULAG 4 U1 votes3 million draven mastery and in silver lul
Beldair2 votesHe literally has that high a mastery on Draven and hasn't even climbed to Gold?
Wooooowwwww.
I at least have a reason for my rank being unranked/bronze... I don't play ranked (got too many obligations to even try ranked...so I don't play ranked so I don't mess with other's LP).
eufleuria1 votesI admit at times I make mistakes, make bad plays, and get caught out for warding. But there also times, when the ADC doesnt pay attention to my pings but continue anyway to heavily push and pursue the lane when Im pinging him that my skills are on cooldown and that I dont have mana.
In fact, I played a game today with an ADC who didnt want to listen to my pings that I had no mana, exhaust on cd and I didnt have any wards because we havent recalled in a good while. And despite my "be careful" pinging, he ended up getting ganked on. And flaming me to stop wasting my mana. I was sona, and I admit - yah I could have not been overly aggressive to try to poke down the enemies health down with my q and auto combo, but at the same time, he could have freezed lane and try not to push so hard knowing my mana was down. So it was mostly mine and partially his fault. (We won that game if anyone is curious).
All in short, yes us supports make dumb moves at times, but you as an ADC need to check the support and make sure they are on the same page with you. You need to make sure, if you want to go in, make sure they are ready too. Sometimes I play games where I dont even feel good about my ADC so i play super passively and I dont even know what his/her plan is if they want to safely farm or pursue the enemy because they arent communicating.
And dude, if someone didnt do something that they should have done, just chill and get over it. Stop worrying about mistakes. Mistakes are mistakes and thats how people learn.
Sorry for my wall of text. RIP.
Woook3r1 votesMy supports dont ping. They push my lane.
