The bias toward Thresh by the Board is an absolute aberation

Ahristocats··6 votes·538 views

"thresh has always been the best support" "thresh does too much" "thresh is a generalist"

The board's knowledge about supports has always been so garbage that any high elo support main would instantly feel the need to break a monitor

Thresh throughout season 6 was one of the most garbage champion with one time reaching 45% win rate for few patches before he got a CD buff even before 7.10 he had 48% win rate unlike lulu that had 53%, blitz 54%, janna 53% win rate, nami 50% win rate, karma 50% win rate and all of them had more than 15% pick rate and you tell me that thresh was the best support since his release?

Thresh needs a nerf of course, no one should remain with such a win rate/pick rate that is 52% and 30% However for one patch since years thresh get those stats and suddenly, "he needs his kit to lose features"

so let's get this straight, THRESH HAS ALWAYS DID HIS JOB He is not a superior version of blitz He is not all supports combined His kit is not overloaded, in fact TahmKench is more picked than him in pro, Braum has like 5 games less than him . Thresh is top 8 pick/ban rate in pro, he is less considered to be picked than kench/zyra/karma/lulu/malz/nami/nautilus(but he's picked toplane too)

"but look, thresh is overloaded, let me list you his kit he has this this this this" "remove thresh shield he doesn't need it" yeah want me to list the kit of every champions? cause i'm going to make it sound like everyone is overloaded might as well remove TahmKench bonus movement speed, why does he have bonus movement speed? he just needs to eat a dude to save him, why give him bonus ms on top of it to reposition?

Braum has stun,slow that is almost a snare,bonus armor/mr on him, on his ally, dash, % damage reduction, %bonus ms, block projectiles, aoe knock up, aoe slow field that isn't reduced by tenacity, and overall a billion more of base stats and damage and %hp scaling, and less cooldowns

It's very easy to make it sound like thresh is overloaded, when almost all supports have as much as him, and when they don't like Alistar they get automatically his base statsx2, and his cd divided by 2. thresh has 47 base ad, 450 range for a ranged champion that is nowhere more tanky than melees, 16 base armor tied with no armor per level which makes him need like 100 stacks of passive to compensate it and then collecte more souls to get a benefit from his passive without forgetting that games end at nearly 25 min in average. He has 2000 base hp, and 490 base hp at lvl1 which makes any meta poke support destroying him. His passive for some reasons, reduces attack speed efficiency by 4. https://i.gyazo.com/b1b6a4ef71c86a5a02919cfaee7b3217.png

He doesn't get 1.25 mr/lvl he gets knight's vow power divided by 2

but yeah, keep being biased and list thresh kite more, it's not like board has any clue on how supports work. "he's a generalist" my **** 90% of the support roaster are generalists there are no other supports than Janna Blitzcrank who cannot disengaging as well as engaging.

at least thresh engaging is garbage af he doesn't get bonus ms like Blitzcrank , he has no way to close the gap to either use E or Q that has a big delay unlike blitz

his 2v2 is terrible with his attack speed and base ad, and 20 sec cd spells, and 16 base armor, he relies on his 450 range poke to win the lane his nuking potential is unreliable, he needs to hook first but also needs a wall to hit, if the dude stays in the box and fight 2v2 he's going to lose if the support frees the adc by triggering the wall he's going to do no damage

only his peeling is great through lantern that makes him unique against j4/zyra or other AOE

TLDR thresh doesn't need a rework thresh doesn't need his kit to lose jackshit thresh only needs a nerf, and possibly a base movement speed nerf

but it's k, he was made by certainlyt, so we have to be biased af and list his kit when we said we shouldn't do it to champions xd

14 Comments

Big Lincoln3 votes

"thresh is so op freelo does every support job"

-low silver player who refuses to play support and will make threads about autofill if they're forced to

I Love Thresh2 votes

Thresh IS a generalist you walnut, a good Thresh will be able to do much more than a good [most other supports], it doesn't matter what the numbers are or what the pro picks, his kit does a shit ton of different things and that's the point.

Ahristocats2 votes

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Thresh IS a generalist you walnut, a good Thresh will be able to do much more than a good [most other supports]

a good thresh will never be a good blitzcrank

blitzcrank engage and nuke potential+ low cd especially on ult+his tankiness+incredible lock down as his e will have like 1.5 sec cd with 45% cdr all of this that thresh will never have

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it doesn't matter what the numbers are or what the pro picks

it doesn't matter only to idiots

I Love Thresh1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TxJwFu6E,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-29T18:30:11.297+0000) a good thresh will never be a good blitzcrank

blitzcrank engage and nuke potential+ low cd especially on ult+his tankiness+incredible lock down as his e will have like 1.5 sec cd with 45% cdr all of this that thresh will never have

thresh and blitz don't have the same role/utility. you cant stop a dash with blitz. you cant save a dying teammate over a wall with blitz. you cant bring your jungler into lane really fast with blitz. you cant slow people with blitz. the only thing blitz and thresh have in common is a hook.

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TxJwFu6E,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-29T18:30:11.297+0000) it doesn't matter only to idiots

not really

Ahristocats1 votes

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thresh and blitz don't have the same role/utility. you cant stop a dash with blitz.

Thresh and blitz don't have the same role/utility, yet above you tell me that thresh does the job of all supports

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not really

Ah my bad, the best players in the world not picking thresh everytime doesn't matter to the overloaded kit of thresh that should surpass every supports

I Love Thresh1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TxJwFu6E,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T18:37:53.510+0000)

Thresh and blitz don't have the same role/utility, yet above you tell me that thresh does the job of all supports

generalist =/= doing everything every support ever does. he's more of a jack of all, trade master of none

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TxJwFu6E,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T18:37:53.510+0000) Ah my bad, the best players in the world not picking thresh everytime doesn't matter to the overloaded kit of thresh that should surpass every supports

people on the boards arent usually the best players in the world, thresh is fantastic outside of high-elo

Ahristocats1 votes

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generalist =/= doing everything every support ever does. he's more of a jack of all, trade master of none

then every supports are generalist braum is a generalist lulu is a generalist sona nami karma tahm kench are all generalist

they can do as much as thresh if not more they can disengage, engage, poke, tank damage for some of them, peel, gank, everything

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people on the boards arent usually the best players in the world, thresh is fantastic outside of high-elo

people being bad is not an escuse to remove things from a kit of a champion champion dominating pro is a reason

Mordepool2 votes

Thresh is meh honestly I don't have a problem with him he's no longer king of supports must pick/ban that he used to be.

KirotheImmortal1 votes

Thresh is only strong because of redemption and sheild buff items. Thresh isnt the issue its the items that they have been adding. Thresh is probably one of the harder supports to master imo. For a support he has a large number of possible ways to play a fight. Thresh is also 100% dependenr on team play. Unlike his counterparts Naut and Blitz. Now maybe he needs a little nerf to parts of his kit. IE his shield to match the new items.

Anyone who says he needs to lose or get reworked hasnt played league for more then a year or 2. And if they have its on off.

Limmie1 votes

I think you meant to say "bias against", not "towards". One is the opposite of the other.

Dreampod1 votes

Going to ignore everything else and just point out that attack windup is not the same as attack speed even though it is also affected by it. It is the period of time between when you click and when the attack actually starts. Usually they are sped up by attack speed to keep the animations looking fluid and it feels nice, Thresh not getting that certainly hurts a little (might be why so many people have a lot of trouble procing relic shield with him) but he still outputs the same number of attacks as any other champion with the same attack speed.

Ahristocats1 votes

thank you for your explination i stand corrected

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Honestly, I don't see why people have such a hard time with Thresh. It is easy enough to dodge his hooks in laning phase for me at least. The only time I struggle is if rushes mobis and runs me down with a flay into point blank Q after the flay.

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