And has been like that the whole Season.
Whenever I play Top, I feel I have 0 impact. Mid is more or less the same.
On the other hand we have Jungler. If a Jungler starts ganking early and ganks more tan the enemy jungler, that team is going to win the game easily. I don't get why in the world Junglers deserve to have way more power than any other role.
Pika Fox4 votesJungler feels more important than it actually is. If the jungler is doing well, its because the laners are doing well already. If the jungler is doing poorly, the laners are.
You dont really get games where a jungler is doing amazing and the laners are inting off the planet, solving world hunger in 10 minutes.
Daddy Ants3 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TrcN8cJx,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-10T15:41:08.380+0000)
Jungler feels more important than it actually is. If the jungler is doing well, its because the laners are doing well already. If the jungler is doing poorly, the laners are.
You dont really get games where a jungler is doing amazing and the laners are inting off the planet, solving world hunger in 10 minutes.
Games with a bad jungler feel like we have no control of the map whatsoever.
Pika Fox2 votesJungler is the role that has the easiest access to controling the map, so of course that would be the result of being behind as a jungler.
NichtHurz1 votesAs a jungler I totally feel the same when I have bad laners. At some point I just can't move anywhere on the map because the enemy laners can do whatever they want while my laners are stuck at their tower. As soon as I move to the river or just my own camps I'll see enemies moving towards me. And yes, I can help out lanes, but when my laners just stay in lane after we got kills they'll almost always die.
As a jungler I mostly have my control ward and oracle to ward ONE spot and clear wards in a small area, but if the my enemies win their lanes they can easily move into my jungle and ward it, they can ward objectives and basically prevent me from moving anywhere unseen. It's honestly frustrating when all my lanes push early so I can't even manage to gank for a simple flash cd and then just stay pushing. They'll mostly end up dying at some point, even if they got kills first and then suddenly blame me because they didn't ward the enemy jungle or anything worth warding besides their own river and tri-bush.
Not saying I don't do mistakes, I suck, but laners in my elo have to understand that map control is not a one-man job. If my lanes are pushing all the time and I might not be able to gank, then I expect them to place deep wards, so they don't get shit on right in front of the enemy turret and so I can actually reliably counter-gank. It really helps a ton. A toplaner warding around the enemy blue/wolves often is worth more than a toplaner just pushing and farming his ass off.
Daddy Ants3 votesADC is the role with the least agency right now.
Mid and Jungle are the strongest roles in the game followed by Support.
"Jungle Difference" and "Better Jungler wins" are more true this season then ever.
I'm mid silver sure but I've seen Top Laners completely take over games by simply getting 1-2 kills in lane.
Hell, I played Twitch Jungle a while ago and ganked top at level 2, Gave my Darius first blood and he snowballed out of control and we won easily.
If you're a jungler in low elo and your top laner is someone like 
gank them early, give them a kill or 2 and most of the time they will snowball so hard.
I personally feel like giving 1-2 kills early to a champion like is better for the team than giving them to say a 
.
Tanks will just stonewall the lane and scale up anyway.
Airbend1 votesWhen the enemy have a Twitch jungle you always wait for a lvl 2 gank.That why you need to be very carefull.Or even better.Invade his ass and kill him.It's a Twitch jungle.But like i said, it's all about learning the game, not autopiloting ty it.
Daddy Ants1 votesWhen the enemy have a Twitch jungle you always wait for a lvl 2 gank.That why you need to be very carefull.Or even better.Invade his ass and kill him.It's a Twitch jungle.But like i said, it's all about learning the game, not autopiloting ty it.
Indeed yeah.
Like I said I'm mid silver so that doesn't happen often.
9 times out of 10 a Twitch Jungle or the laner he's ganking for will get first blood at level 2.
NichtHurz1 votesYup, just had this kind of game. I told my laners to stay careful around the first levels, because twitch jungle will get smashed if he doesn't get an early lead. My laners proceed to give him 3 kills in 1 1/2 minutes, 3 minutes into the game. So now I'm Kindred (1/0/0, got top laner) vs. 3/0/0 Twitch, who now proceeds to kill anything that's moving. Who takes the blame? Me! Because as a jungler I didn't play my lane right and die to Twitch a thousand times. smfh
JackMcSnipeyz2 votesIf you dont have impact while playing mid, you arent playing mid right. Mid is like a mini jungler who scales.
OtterlyLost1 votesADC has the least agency; top laners at least can split and supports and mid can roam but ADCs are locked into staying with their support or team at all points. Jungle has had the most agency for well over a season and a half, maybe even two. It's almost impossible to win if your jungler is bad; and I dont mean necessarily feeding but if they cant secure objectives like dragon. I've had jungle be the most fed person on the team but it didnt matter because he couldn't secure objectives.
Airbend1 votesBecause ADC are designt to be like that.That doenst mean they can't carry or they are weak.Most of this season was ADC dominion. But after the 8.11 items rework, they are pretty much ballanced.Now they can't go and 2 vs 5 like before.But like i said before, AND ITS NOTHING PERSONAL, because one time i was like you, if you face the truth is which you suck at the game right now, start to learn and improve you will climb and win more.You will understand the roles better and see that the problem is not junglers.
OtterlyLost1 votesDude, you're gold 5. Step off. You're barely better than me at all. G5 isnt different from S1.
And I didnt say they couldn't carry. Carrying and Agency are two different things. Agency is specifically referencing how much influence your carry actually matters. Most ADCs cannot solo carry and many of them have limited impact early game. And normally the game doesn't go long enough for them to have late game impact.
As for the balance of ADCs, sure. They're balanced if you like only two or three of them actually being relevant in the game.
Airbend1 votesI don't know why are you talking about S1, when you are S5, and there is a BIG difference between S5 and G5.And ADC have most if not all influence in late game, or if they got fed in early game.You are maining the most broken role in this game and cry about junglers.Like i said in my first post - if you try to learn the game you can shitt on enemy jungler easy.Invade his ass, track him, ward the jungle, steal his camps, help your jungler so he can help you, etc.Im so sick of people who push to the enemy tower, dont ward, die to gank and start cry that junglers are broken.The whole point of the jungler is to GIVE ADVANTAGE to the other lanes, but it doenst mean it will happen.It's the same with adc, they role is to farm and scale in to late game, but it doesnt mean it will happen, sometime you dont go to late game.Same is with jungler, you can shut him down.
Bent Pixels1 votesI think it's because jungle is basically the entire map and can influence the entire game because they need to be at the right place at the right time. Also a lot more goes into jungling than laning, and theyre probably given more power simply due to the fact that it's harder to do
As a mid lane Ekko player, I think I have a lot of influence on the game. if I fuck up and give the enemy mid kills, Im useless for the longest time, but if Im ahead its such an easy game to solo carry, especially with Ekko. Same with Fiora in the top lane. Top definitely does feel less useful than mid but every lane still has a purpose.
Rαy1 votesTop is actually a really strong role right now, to be honest. If you pick an oppressive bruiser using Conqueror, your impact is insane. Jax, Urgot, Camille, Irelia and Akali are insane picks at the moment.
Daddy Ants1 votesTop is actually a really strong role right now, to be honest. If you pick an oppressive bruiser using Conqueror, your impact is insane. Jax, Urgot, Camille, Irelia and Akali are insane picks at the moment.
Aatrox as well.
saltran1 votesWhenever I play Top, I feel I have 0 impact. Mid is more or less the same.
Then you just play Top or Mid bad.
